Why was illegal rave allowed to go ahead? MP calls on police for answers

Questions: MP Gavin Barwell wants answers from police

Chaos: Thousands of people attended the illegal rave.Picture: @Vickystew

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MP Gavin Barwell is calling for answers from police after thousands of people attended an illegal rave in Croydon, which saw violence erupt throughout the night.

The rave was eventually shut down by police at 8.30am today, June 15, but revellers were allowed into the disused mail sorting office after police were concerned for their safety when thousands of people turned up for the party and violence escalated.

Police originally found about 200 to 300 people inside but furniture and fire extinguishers were thrown at them while they tried to secure the building.

A call from Croydon Police to make trains pass through East Croydon Station without stopping to avoid further party-goers arriving was turned down last night.

Police who arrived at the scene about 9.40pm let the party go ahead because it was safer than letting thousands of revellers onto the streets of Croydon, they said.

Croydon Central MP Mr Barwell said: “The issue here is about safety – both for the people who attend these events and for people in the surrounding neighbourhoods.

“It is pretty dangerous to go to an unlicensed venue with only one entrance. There were thousands of people there so if there was a fire there would have been a significant loss of life.

“It is a pretty unsatisfactory state of affairs and I think the question people are going to have is why was it allowed to happen in the first place?”

He said he sympathised with officers on the ground who had difficult decisions to make but asked if police had prior intelligence about the event.

He also asked if police backup was requested and dispatched quickly enough and if the owners of the building has secured it.

Mr Barwell said: “There is a lot of anger among constituents that this kind of thing was allowed to go ahead.”

He said for some people living nearby, the illegal rave had “uncomfortable parallels” with the 2011 riots.

Nine people were arrested after the illegal party in the disused mail sorting office next to East Croydon station.

Police expect further arrests as they continue with their investigation.

Were you in Croydon to witness the rave? Leave a comment below.

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6:56pm Sun 15 Jun 14

bobbyse25 says...

The police most probably decided to let the party go ahead in order to avoid disorder on the streets in and around the centre of Croydon.
The police most probably decided to let the party go ahead in order to avoid disorder on the streets in and around the centre of Croydon. bobbyse25
  • Score: 9

6:59pm Sun 15 Jun 14

bobbyse25 says...

I don't understand Barwell. Would he want disorder on the streets if the police had not let the rave go ahead. In which case had there been trouble on the streets, he would have been the first to criticise the police.
I don't understand Barwell. Would he want disorder on the streets if the police had not let the rave go ahead. In which case had there been trouble on the streets, he would have been the first to criticise the police. bobbyse25
  • Score: 10

7:21pm Sun 15 Jun 14

andrewss says...

More than likely that already due to World Cup and Trooping the Colour the police were already on very low numbers. If the potentially hostile crowd were allowed to disperse into the streets at that time, god only knows what would have happened. No doubt the police would have been criticised again if further disorder had occurred just before the England game... At least by letting them remain in one venue they were probably more controlled.
More than likely that already due to World Cup and Trooping the Colour the police were already on very low numbers. If the potentially hostile crowd were allowed to disperse into the streets at that time, god only knows what would have happened. No doubt the police would have been criticised again if further disorder had occurred just before the England game... At least by letting them remain in one venue they were probably more controlled. andrewss
  • Score: 30

10:23am Mon 16 Jun 14

bobbyse25 says...

Instead of criticizing the police, Barwell should be asking the developers why they had not secured the premises and why they had not arranged for the electricity and water supply to be disconnected when the building became their responsibility.
Instead of criticizing the police, Barwell should be asking the developers why they had not secured the premises and why they had not arranged for the electricity and water supply to be disconnected when the building became their responsibility. bobbyse25
  • Score: 20

3:50pm Mon 16 Jun 14

jaded1 says...

Barwell why don't you speak to Cameron and May about their cuts in the police? Ask them how many PC's are on duty at any time in Croydon,one of Londons busiest boroughs. You might be surprised at the answer.
Whilst you've got their attention ask them why they employed Tom Winsor to destroy our pensions and working conditions so morale is at rock-bottom.
Barwell why don't you speak to Cameron and May about their cuts in the police? Ask them how many PC's are on duty at any time in Croydon,one of Londons busiest boroughs. You might be surprised at the answer. Whilst you've got their attention ask them why they employed Tom Winsor to destroy our pensions and working conditions so morale is at rock-bottom. jaded1
  • Score: 10

9:05pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Disillusioned2014 says...

At the end of the day the police allowed an illegal rave to go ahead, just like they choose to ignore drivers on their mobiles right in front of their eyes! They should not choose which laws to enforce and which to ignore. Policing is about preventing criminal acts, not allowing them to happen and then expecting the working tax payer to pick up the clean up bill on top of the tax they already pay for the police via the GLA. The police could not cope in the riots, what lessons did they learn and what action have they taken to ensure they do not lose control again? Think Saturday night answers that one!
At the end of the day the police allowed an illegal rave to go ahead, just like they choose to ignore drivers on their mobiles right in front of their eyes! They should not choose which laws to enforce and which to ignore. Policing is about preventing criminal acts, not allowing them to happen and then expecting the working tax payer to pick up the clean up bill on top of the tax they already pay for the police via the GLA. The police could not cope in the riots, what lessons did they learn and what action have they taken to ensure they do not lose control again? Think Saturday night answers that one! Disillusioned2014
  • Score: 7

11:03pm Mon 16 Jun 14

jaded1 says...

Disillusioned2014 wrote:
At the end of the day the police allowed an illegal rave to go ahead, just like they choose to ignore drivers on their mobiles right in front of their eyes! They should not choose which laws to enforce and which to ignore. Policing is about preventing criminal acts, not allowing them to happen and then expecting the working tax payer to pick up the clean up bill on top of the tax they already pay for the police via the GLA. The police could not cope in the riots, what lessons did they learn and what action have they taken to ensure they do not lose control again? Think Saturday night answers that one!
Do you think the police in Croydon have the resources to take on 200-300 people at an unplanned incident?
[quote][p][bold]Disillusioned2014[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day the police allowed an illegal rave to go ahead, just like they choose to ignore drivers on their mobiles right in front of their eyes! They should not choose which laws to enforce and which to ignore. Policing is about preventing criminal acts, not allowing them to happen and then expecting the working tax payer to pick up the clean up bill on top of the tax they already pay for the police via the GLA. The police could not cope in the riots, what lessons did they learn and what action have they taken to ensure they do not lose control again? Think Saturday night answers that one![/p][/quote]Do you think the police in Croydon have the resources to take on 200-300 people at an unplanned incident? jaded1
  • Score: 2

6:57pm Tue 17 Jun 14

alroutemaster says...

Should have let them all in, locked the doors and set fire to the building.
Should have let them all in, locked the doors and set fire to the building. alroutemaster
  • Score: 3

8:46pm Wed 18 Jun 14

Disillusioned2014 says...

jaded1 wrote:
Disillusioned2014 wrote:
At the end of the day the police allowed an illegal rave to go ahead, just like they choose to ignore drivers on their mobiles right in front of their eyes! They should not choose which laws to enforce and which to ignore. Policing is about preventing criminal acts, not allowing them to happen and then expecting the working tax payer to pick up the clean up bill on top of the tax they already pay for the police via the GLA. The police could not cope in the riots, what lessons did they learn and what action have they taken to ensure they do not lose control again? Think Saturday night answers that one!
Do you think the police in Croydon have the resources to take on 200-300 people at an unplanned incident?
Apparently they had intelligence of this rave a week before and chose to do nothing. Even if they had not had prior knowledge of the rave like all public services the police would have contingency plans in place to cater for this type of emergency and these would have been reviewed as a matter of course following the Croydon riots! There are questions to be answered, the residents of Croydon are entitled to feel safe and that the police are prepared to uphold the law.
[quote][p][bold]jaded1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Disillusioned2014[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day the police allowed an illegal rave to go ahead, just like they choose to ignore drivers on their mobiles right in front of their eyes! They should not choose which laws to enforce and which to ignore. Policing is about preventing criminal acts, not allowing them to happen and then expecting the working tax payer to pick up the clean up bill on top of the tax they already pay for the police via the GLA. The police could not cope in the riots, what lessons did they learn and what action have they taken to ensure they do not lose control again? Think Saturday night answers that one![/p][/quote]Do you think the police in Croydon have the resources to take on 200-300 people at an unplanned incident?[/p][/quote]Apparently they had intelligence of this rave a week before and chose to do nothing. Even if they had not had prior knowledge of the rave like all public services the police would have contingency plans in place to cater for this type of emergency and these would have been reviewed as a matter of course following the Croydon riots! There are questions to be answered, the residents of Croydon are entitled to feel safe and that the police are prepared to uphold the law. Disillusioned2014
  • Score: 3

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