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Channel Four has defended reality TV programme Dumped following claims the show was staged.
Promotional material for the show, which begins today, said viewers would see 11 contestants living on the tip in Beddington Lane, Croydon for three weeks.
The contestants would be forced to build a life for themselves from things scavenged from the dump.
However the programme's creators have admitted the contestants lived on a special dump recreated for them because of health and safety fears.
Contestants were also given food rations to live on because the show's bosses were concerned about contamination.
Dumped producer Helen Hawkin told Capital Radio: "It wasn't a fix at all - obviously in asking people to take part in the programme their health and safety and well-being has to be our paramount concern - we couldn't put people at risk of death.
| “We surrounded the group with a representative pile of rubbish. If we'd put them up on the landfill they'd have been exposed to heavy machinery, dangerous gases, which we couldn't possibly have exposed them to - but that doesn't undermine the fact they were genuinely living surrounded by a thousand tonnes of rubbish." | | Helen Hawkin |
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"We surrounded the group with a representative pile of rubbish. If we'd put them up on the landfill they'd have been exposed to heavy machinery, dangerous gases, which we couldn't possibly have exposed them to - but that doesn't undermine the fact they were genuinely living surrounded by a thousand tonnes of rubbish.
"We did give them food, again, if they'd had to take food from a landfill site it could have been contaminated, and that wouldn't have been responsible."
Dumped begins today at 9pm and continues on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday at the same time.
9:22am Sunday 2nd September 2007
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CommentPosted by: clarence barrett, essex on 11:40pm Sun 2 Sep 07
It is interesting to contrast this manufactured show with the 3,000 plus people who are forced to make a living off dumps on the outskirts of Brasilia - great TV though???
It is interesting to contrast this manufactured show with the 3,000 plus people who are forced to make a living off dumps on the outskirts of Brasilia - great TV though???
Posted by: Paul, Upper Norwood on 2:45pm Tue 4 Sep 07
[bold]"Promotional material for the show, which begins today, said viewers would see 11 contestants living on the tip in Beddington Lane, Croydon for three weeks."[/bold]
Why do a programme on 11 contestants living on the tip in Beddington Lane when they could have outdone themselves showing 330,000 living in the tip of Croydon and paying Croydon Council handsomely for the privelege!
"Promotional material for the show, which begins today, said viewers would see 11 contestants living on the tip in Beddington Lane, Croydon for three weeks."
Why do a programme on 11 contestants living on the tip in Beddington Lane when they could have outdone themselves showing 330,000 living in the tip of Croydon and paying Croydon Council handsomely for the privelege!
Posted by: richard francis, thornton heath on 6:04am Wed 5 Sep 07
Why, indeed, Paul, from Upper Norwood! As fast as all my friends (we know and talk to each other on first-name terms) sweep the roads and streets in our area of Thornton Heath, the local populace (smartly suited and expensively wheeled, more often than not) contrive to mess up, only half an hour after the place has been made spotless. As I put what little rubbish I create in a nearby bin (plenty of them, would you believe it!) or tidy up/recycle other people's cans/bottles/cigaret
tecartons, I sometimes wax philosophical, wondering what goes through their minds, as opposed to through their car windows and doors, or through their fingers elsewhere. Fortunately, some more friends, the town foxes, dispose of the resultant rats; otherwise, we might well face the Great Plague of London once again. Talking of which, try to see the new musical, "Blaze", at the Bridewell Theatre, near St.Bride's in the City,which cleverly recreates the years of 1665 and 1666, including The Great Fire, interwoven with romance - cry your eyes out, Cameron McIntosh (of Les Mis. fame),for this is home-grown, not Parisian, theatre. Finally, on the topic of Council tax, Ken tax, Gordon (his ample legacy) tax and EU tax, would anyone join me in a little bonfire of the vanities? Maybe we could generate a little glow of our own? As a footnote, you could double the borough population figures any day of the week , and still be short on the count.
Why, indeed, Paul, from Upper Norwood! As fast as all my friends (we know and talk to each other on first-name terms) sweep the roads and streets in our area of Thornton Heath, the local populace (smartly suited and expensively wheeled, more often than not) contrive to mess up, only half an hour after the place has been made spotless. As I put what little rubbish I create in a nearby bin (plenty of them, would you believe it!) or tidy up/recycle other people's cans/bottles/cigaret
tecartons, I sometimes wax philosophical, wondering what goes through their minds, as opposed to through their car windows and doors, or through their fingers elsewhere. Fortunately, some more friends, the town foxes, dispose of the resultant rats; otherwise, we might well face the Great Plague of London once again. Talking of which, try to see the new musical, "Blaze", at the Bridewell Theatre, near St.Bride's in the City,which cleverly recreates the years of 1665 and 1666, including The Great Fire, interwoven with romance - cry your eyes out, Cameron McIntosh (of Les Mis. fame),for this is home-grown, not Parisian, theatre. Finally, on the topic of Council tax, Ken tax, Gordon (his ample legacy) tax and EU tax, would anyone join me in a little bonfire of the vanities? Maybe we could generate a little glow of our own? As a footnote, you could double the borough population figures any day of the week , and still be short on the count.
Posted by: LB Croydon Press Office, Croydon on 9:56am Wed 5 Sep 07
Many residents who take pride in their decision to live in Croydon will be disappointed that C4's programme has given an opportunity for media observers who don't know our town to knock the place. It's even sadder to see Paul from Upper Norwood adopting the same negative slant.
For the record the dump in Beddington Lane is not actually in Croydon. But it does serve the needs of a large part of South London and its convenient location in the adjoining borough of Sutton means that we don't waste more money in carting waste off to to sites much further away; hardly a green approach.
Ideally we would like to reduce dumped waste still further. There are many schemes that enable local people to reuse or recycle their waste and so cut the volume that's taken away for disposal. If we succeed in our waste minimisation ambitions then C4 won't be able to film on Croydon's doorstep. That might deprive viewers of 'entertainment' but it would be very good news for the environment.
Many residents who take pride in their decision to live in Croydon will be disappointed that C4's programme has given an opportunity for media observers who don't know our town to knock the place. It's even sadder to see Paul from Upper Norwood adopting the same negative slant.
For the record the dump in Beddington Lane is not actually in Croydon. But it does serve the needs of a large part of South London and its convenient location in the adjoining borough of Sutton means that we don't waste more money in carting waste off to to sites much further away; hardly a green approach.
Ideally we would like to reduce dumped waste still further. There are many schemes that enable local people to reuse or recycle their waste and so cut the volume that's taken away for disposal. If we succeed in our waste minimisation ambitions then C4 won't be able to film on Croydon's doorstep. That might deprive viewers of 'entertainment' but it would be very good news for the environment.
Posted by: Paul, Upper Norwood on 2:37pm Wed 5 Sep 07
[italic]Many residents who take pride in their decision to live in Croydon will be disappointed that C4's programme has given an opportunity for media observers who don't know our town to knock the place. [bold]It's even sadder to see Paul from Upper Norwood adopting the same negative slant.[/bold] [/italic]
Ah! LB Croydon Press Office, touched a nerve have I?
Having lived in Croydon for almost 58 years I have seen the town in the aftermath of WW2 as I grew up in the loft of a house with no running water until the Council transferred our family to the (then) newly built Shrublands Estate.
Now I live in Upper Norwood.
During the interim I have seen Croydon rebuilt, the population of Croydon change beyond all recognition and I have seen the political fortunes of the Council change.
I suspect that I am well qualified to state what I think about Croydon, as was an old school chum who came here from NZ after leaving Kidderminster Road in 1962.
His remark was 'What a dump!'
He was not referring to the collection of waste and neither was I when I referred to Croydon as a tip.
The town has, over 57+ years, gone down thanks to a variety of reasons but it was strange that LB Croydon Publicity office thinks its over the council's rubbish policy.
We were the industrial centre of the South London suburbs, Purley Way being the road to many careers in engineering, electronics and production management. Now it's a shopping centre.
That differs from Croydon High street because it is not a continual bar and restaurant where 25000 regularly eat, drink, vomit, urinate and stagger home on 'auto-pilot.'
My comment is not about rubbish, the location of the tip, green matters or the very taxable and nonsensical carbon footprint; it is, of course about the [italic]beautiful[/italic] town of Croydon as others see it.
Many residents who take pride in their decision to live in Croydon will be disappointed that C4's programme has given an opportunity for media observers who don't know our town to knock the place. It's even sadder to see Paul from Upper Norwood adopting the same negative slant.
Ah! LB Croydon Press Office, touched a nerve have I?
Having lived in Croydon for almost 58 years I have seen the town in the aftermath of WW2 as I grew up in the loft of a house with no running water until the Council transferred our family to the (then) newly built Shrublands Estate.
Now I live in Upper Norwood.
During the interim I have seen Croydon rebuilt, the population of Croydon change beyond all recognition and I have seen the political fortunes of the Council change.
I suspect that I am well qualified to state what I think about Croydon, as was an old school chum who came here from NZ after leaving Kidderminster Road in 1962.
His remark was 'What a dump!'
He was not referring to the collection of waste and neither was I when I referred to Croydon as a tip.
The town has, over 57+ years, gone down thanks to a variety of reasons but it was strange that LB Croydon Publicity office thinks its over the council's rubbish policy.
We were the industrial centre of the South London suburbs, Purley Way being the road to many careers in engineering, electronics and production management. Now it's a shopping centre.
That differs from Croydon High street because it is not a continual bar and restaurant where 25000 regularly eat, drink, vomit, urinate and stagger home on 'auto-pilot.'
My comment is not about rubbish, the location of the tip, green matters or the very taxable and nonsensical carbon footprint; it is, of course about the
beautiful town of Croydon as others see it.
Posted by: LB Press Office, Croydon on 4:35pm Wed 5 Sep 07
Press office staff, with experience of Croydon dating back to the early 60s, also have opinions on the way the borough has developed over the years. Nowhere is immune from change and not everyone considers everything that's happened here is for the worse. Far from it. However, the point at issue was C4's programme giving encouragement to those who wish to knock the borough. The cheap jibes are reminiscent of the way in which a few years back the mention of 'Neasden' or 'Croydon' would prompt an unwarranted smirk even from those who'd never encountered the place.
C4's dump is a rubbish tip close to the borough. It's not unreasonable to believe that most of the third of a million who live in Croydon don't want the media suggesting that they're living in a questionable environment - whatever they might personally think of their present surroundings.
Press office staff, with experience of Croydon dating back to the early 60s, also have opinions on the way the borough has developed over the years. Nowhere is immune from change and not everyone considers everything that's happened here is for the worse. Far from it. However, the point at issue was C4's programme giving encouragement to those who wish to knock the borough. The cheap jibes are reminiscent of the way in which a few years back the mention of 'Neasden' or 'Croydon' would prompt an unwarranted smirk even from those who'd never encountered the place.
C4's dump is a rubbish tip close to the borough. It's not unreasonable to believe that most of the third of a million who live in Croydon don't want the media suggesting that they're living in a questionable environment - whatever they might personally think of their present surroundings.
Posted by: Paul, Upper Norwood on 9:36am Thu 6 Sep 07
LB Press Office staff stated, [bold]"Nowhere is immune from change and not everyone considers everything that's happened here is for the worse. Far from it."[/bold]
That is their opinion, and they receive money to make such statements; mercenaries have no interest in the outcome, only the lucre.
My view is a personal one furnished from many years of living in Croydon.
How many staff in the LB Press Office can boast that said fact?
Likewise LB Press Office staff [italic]could have[/italic] stated,
"Nowhere is immune from change and not everyone considers everything that's happened here is for the best. Far from it."
That is what a majority of persons in Croydon who have lived here for a long time believe.
If LB Croydon Press Office staff don't like what they read here then barrack your leaders for proper change.
Don't try to break the views of a long term resident of Croydon with fancy words and phrase you had to seek from a politician.
Croydon is a dump and not just from the rubbish aspect.
LB Press Office staff stated,
"Nowhere is immune from change and not everyone considers everything that's happened here is for the worse. Far from it."
That is their opinion, and they receive money to make such statements; mercenaries have no interest in the outcome, only the lucre.
My view is a personal one furnished from many years of living in Croydon.
How many staff in the LB Press Office can boast that said fact?
Likewise LB Press Office staff
could have stated,
"Nowhere is immune from change and not everyone considers everything that's happened here is for the best. Far from it."
That is what a majority of persons in Croydon who have lived here for a long time believe.
If LB Croydon Press Office staff don't like what they read here then barrack your leaders for proper change.
Don't try to break the views of a long term resident of Croydon with fancy words and phrase you had to seek from a politician.
Croydon is a dump and not just from the rubbish aspect.
Posted by: richard francis, thornton heath on 3:36pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Well reaffirmed, Upper Norwood man, Paul. Stick to your beliefs and stand by your opinions. Don't be deflected by Council Press Office spin - I am appalled that there are such people, in our employ (yours and mine, and all the other hundreds of thousands of long-suffering council-tax payers), salaried to castigate their fellow-citizens for holding a perfectly legitimate opinion, which they happen to disagree with. Fine, no problem, we can all agree on the right of another to disagree, can't we? I am not so sure of the answer to this rhetorical question any more. Indeed, I suspect the UK, especially under our contemporary political leaders, is
fast becoming undemocratic, intolerant and dictatorial; not only our own governments - national, regional and local - towards their own citizens, but also our foreign policy, where anything is acceptable, including
military aggression
(American-style), paid for by tax-payers, and the export of our much-tarnished (see above) ideologies, such as our so-called "democracy". I would add that, whilst we once had much to be proud of, we are rapidly descending into the realms of the tacky, tawdry, "technocratic" and downright tedious trash-can environment, whereby our health system is falling apart, our education is 4th rate and our position in the world is untenable, based as it is on financial and ethical bankruptcy. For Press Officers to deny us the right to express our views is simply an illustration of how far we have descended. How about a tax on the air we breathe and the thoughts we think (privately or publicly - perhaps we would be taxed less on our private thoughts, but still threatened with brain-washing, neverteless).
Well reaffirmed, Upper Norwood man, Paul. Stick to your beliefs and stand by your opinions. Don't be deflected by Council Press Office spin - I am appalled that there are such people, in our employ (yours and mine, and all the other hundreds of thousands of long-suffering council-tax payers), salaried to castigate their fellow-citizens for holding a perfectly legitimate opinion, which they happen to disagree with. Fine, no problem, we can all agree on the right of another to disagree, can't we? I am not so sure of the answer to this rhetorical question any more. Indeed, I suspect the UK, especially under our contemporary political leaders, is
fast becoming undemocratic, intolerant and dictatorial; not only our own governments - national, regional and local - towards their own citizens, but also our foreign policy, where anything is acceptable, including
military aggression
(American-style), paid for by tax-payers, and the export of our much-tarnished (see above) ideologies, such as our so-called "democracy". I would add that, whilst we once had much to be proud of, we are rapidly descending into the realms of the tacky, tawdry, "technocratic" and downright tedious trash-can environment, whereby our health system is falling apart, our education is 4th rate and our position in the world is untenable, based as it is on financial and ethical bankruptcy. For Press Officers to deny us the right to express our views is simply an illustration of how far we have descended. How about a tax on the air we breathe and the thoughts we think (privately or publicly - perhaps we would be taxed less on our private thoughts, but still threatened with brain-washing, neverteless).
Posted by: richard francis, thornton heath on 3:48pm Thu 6 Sep 07
Having just submitted my comments and had them neatly erased from the site, here goes again! Paul, from Upper Norwood, is as much entitled to his views as anyone else, if I am not mistaken, which I suspect I am. We all have the right to agree, to disagree or agree to disagree with each other, don't we? I am no longer sure of the correct answer to this rhetorical question. As the UK rapidly descends from a position, where we still had a few things to be proud of, including freedom of speech, we now seem to be losing even these basic tenets of democracy, which we are nevertheless happy to impose on other parts of the world, by means of military force or otherwise.
Having just submitted my comments and had them neatly erased from the site, here goes again! Paul, from Upper Norwood, is as much entitled to his views as anyone else, if I am not mistaken, which I suspect I am. We all have the right to agree, to disagree or agree to disagree with each other, don't we? I am no longer sure of the correct answer to this rhetorical question. As the UK rapidly descends from a position, where we still had a few things to be proud of, including freedom of speech, we now seem to be losing even these basic tenets of democracy, which we are nevertheless happy to impose on other parts of the world, by means of military force or otherwise.
Posted by: richard francis, thornton heath on 4:15pm Thu 6 Sep 07
A third, and final, comment from Thornton Heath resident, of 26 years' standing, about the issues here. My missing comments have suddenly reappeared!
Clarence, contrasting the scenes of poverty in parts of South America, and elsewhere, is right to remind us, and Channel Four, of more pressing issues. What we have here is less immediate, but still serious in its wider implications. I happen to like Croydon, including my village of Thornton Heath; I also like the rest of South London, which I have known, on and off, and worked in for more than half my life (35 years). There are many delightful people, of all ages, creeds and origins, with whom I am happy to associate; indeed, they are like a wider, extended family. This does not mean that the environment we find ourselves in is without blemish. Increasingly, our natural habitat, which we share with our wildlife friends, is being destroyed, a "burning" issue which I have written about elsewhere on Crpydon Guardian Online, and about which I feel very strongly - though I welcome all shades of opinion on the subject, since we can then have an intelligent and meaningful debate.Sorry to drop an 'h' in "nevertheless" earlier on - I become mesmerized by the screen in front of my eyes.
A third, and final, comment from Thornton Heath resident, of 26 years' standing, about the issues here. My missing comments have suddenly reappeared!
Clarence, contrasting the scenes of poverty in parts of South America, and elsewhere, is right to remind us, and Channel Four, of more pressing issues. What we have here is less immediate, but still serious in its wider implications. I happen to like Croydon, including my village of Thornton Heath; I also like the rest of South London, which I have known, on and off, and worked in for more than half my life (35 years). There are many delightful people, of all ages, creeds and origins, with whom I am happy to associate; indeed, they are like a wider, extended family. This does not mean that the environment we find ourselves in is without blemish. Increasingly, our natural habitat, which we share with our wildlife friends, is being destroyed, a "burning" issue which I have written about elsewhere on Crpydon Guardian Online, and about which I feel very strongly - though I welcome all shades of opinion on the subject, since we can then have an intelligent and meaningful debate.Sorry to drop an 'h' in "nevertheless" earlier on - I become mesmerized by the screen in front of my eyes.
Posted by: Paul, Upper Norwood on 11:28am Mon 10 Sep 07
In the absence of any other comment from LB Croydon Press Office:
Years ago one could reasonably ask, 'What's the best thing to come out of Croydon?' You'd be surpised at the answer; Maritime radio equipment, Radar, Colour TV, Castings from the Foundry, X-Ray machines, Spare parts and accessories for the motor trade, Bar fittings and refigeration, Bubble Cars, Record Players, Ejector Seats, Jet Engines, Converted Carboard, Specialist Labels, Pumps, Confectionary and so on. A variety of products, all from a variety of skills.
Ask the same question nowadays and you'll likely hear the following simplistic answer, "The A23."
In the absence of any other comment from LB Croydon Press Office:
Years ago one could reasonably ask, 'What's the best thing to come out of Croydon?' You'd be surpised at the answer; Maritime radio equipment, Radar, Colour TV, Castings from the Foundry, X-Ray machines, Spare parts and accessories for the motor trade, Bar fittings and refigeration, Bubble Cars, Record Players, Ejector Seats, Jet Engines, Converted Carboard, Specialist Labels, Pumps, Confectionary and so on. A variety of products, all from a variety of skills.
Ask the same question nowadays and you'll likely hear the following simplistic answer, "The A23."
Posted by: richard francis, thornton heath on 12:55pm Mon 10 Sep 07
Spot on, Paul! I often think of the superb Church bells, Church (&other) clocks that have emanated from Croydon in bygone days. Now, as you say, "Where do we find Ikea or B&Q?"
"Off the A23," comes the ready response.
However, I do take heart from the many young lads and lasses I meet, most of whom are dedicated to improving the Croydon Borough of today, in whatever way
Spot on, Paul! I often think of the superb Church bells, Church (&other) clocks that have emanated from Croydon in bygone days. Now, as you say, "Where do we find Ikea or B&Q?"
"Off the A23," comes the ready response.
However, I do take heart from the many young lads and lasses I meet, most of whom are dedicated to improving the Croydon Borough of today, in whatever way
Posted by: richard francis, thornton heath on 1:00pm Mon 10 Sep 07
....they can (cut off in mid-flow!). Moreover, they are already making a difference. I am, therefore, confident that the present generation, indeed most people younger than my generation, will make their mark, albeit in different ways from previous Croydonians.
....they can (cut off in mid-flow!). Moreover, they are already making a difference. I am, therefore, confident that the present generation, indeed most people younger than my generation, will make their mark, albeit in different ways from previous Croydonians.
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