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Two men shot at Thornton Heath party

7:30am Tuesday 15th July 2008

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By Dan Menhinnitt »

Two men have been shot following a party in Thornton Heath.

Police say they were called to a home in Camden Gardens at around 4.06am on Sunday following reports of shots being fired.

�We need the local community to help take guns of the streets and help bring those that use them to justice."
Detective Constable Steve Gallone

When they arrived officers found two men suffering from gunshot wounds.

One, a 23-year-old black man, had suffered an injury to the back. The second, a 38-year-old black man, had a gunshot wound to the foot.

Both were rushed to a south London hospital where their injuries were described as non-serious.

So far there have been no arrests.

Officers say they want to speak to anyone who had been at the party or who may have information into the shooting.

Detective Constable Steve Gallone from Operation Trident said: "This would have been a busy party with people from the local community present. I am appealing to those present to come forward and help in the investigation.

"We need the local community to help take guns of the streets and help bring those that use them to justice."

Anyone with information should call the incident room on 020 8785 850 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

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Bob Peel, Croydon says...
8:47am Tue 15 Jul 08

Op Trident - there's a surprise!

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Trasie, mitcham says...
9:41am Tue 15 Jul 08

It's not just about black people and I find it offensive to keep saying that it's a black problem with the concensus that white people can turn a blind eye. We live in a multi-cultural society and it's all our problem. Do you think that when the coward from 30 meters away opened fire thought about who he was going to hit. No I bet he never thought ' best make sure I only hit a black guy'. We all have to live here. And we all have a responsibility to do the right thing and tell the authorities who this person is. By not doing so we might as well have pulled the trigger ourselves.

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ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
10:32am Tue 15 Jul 08

Good for you, Trasie. Croyboy is an arch-racist. Gun and knife crime has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the colour of one's skin. Our senior officers here are doing everything possible to tackle this problem.

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carly, london says...
11:37am Tue 15 Jul 08

It has nothing to do with colour of skin, so what if majority are black being killed, could be white people killing them!!
Im white & I think that it is down to all the little hoodrat gangs going around thinking they are invincible & that the world owes them something.
Been there done that, just we weren't into knives & weapons a few years ago.
It didn't bother us what colour you were, if you weren't with us you were against us.

I dont know why people keep coming up with the race card every 5 mins, seriously people, its getting boring

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realboy, croydon says...
2:09pm Tue 15 Jul 08

actually if you look at the criminals i grew up with in croydon they were actually not all black! and what about the gangs who have white members! Just to blame to the black kids is stupid its not a easy problem to address. But keep blaming black kids!

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Lady S, Surrey says...
2:18pm Tue 15 Jul 08

CroyBoy,

Have you ever thought, that the population of Black people is higher in thornton heath?therefore it is more likely to be a black person... BUT you should not just say oh its Black people! when i know that the crime is just down to the younger generation (WHATEVER COLOUR), who cant handle being told what to do or spoken to in the wrong way, they then feel its ok to go an Stab/Shoot people!

OH and whats this you say about "the target being a BRUVVA" ?? what exactly do you mean by that?

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P, says...
2:42pm Tue 15 Jul 08

I do agree with Croyboy! No one wants to admit the truth but the majority of people being killed are black by black people. Its nothing to do with being racist. Its the truth and people need to start accepting that there is a problem!
And Lady S - the fact that the majority of Thornton Heath's poplualtion are black just proves the point that there is a higher crime rate there because of it. Nothing to do with white people! Stop finding excuses!!!

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Lady S, Surrey says...
2:50pm Tue 15 Jul 08

P,
I am NOT finding excuses im stating the facts and I think you'll find, if you go to an area where the majority of people are white! then all of the trouble is caused by WHITE people! (by the way im not black nor white.. im somewhere inbetween, before you start thinking im racist against white people).
Just look at Mitcham Pollards hill an tell me that the crime rate is high there because of black people!

oh and it is racist saying that, it is black people! when you have no proof, apart from the few articles that you read in the papers. You do know that not all incidents are reported in the paper, dont you?

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Trasie, mitcham says...
3:06pm Tue 15 Jul 08

I disagree with you P, what about up north, staffordshire, Manchester, Liverpool, the majority are white and they're killing each other left right and centre. Guns and Knives seem to be an extension of a man's d**k. Much the same as it used to be a nice E type jaguar. It appears to be almost a fashion statement. But now people are getting killed because of it. And Croyboy I hate what's happening to my beautiful country too but saying it's someone else's problem isn't going to make it go away.

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P, says...
3:34pm Tue 15 Jul 08

Everyone is entitled to their own oppinion, but can anyone honestly tell me that there is not a problem with black on black crime in london?! Im not saying that white people do not commit crimes because they do, but right now its all about young kids walking around killing each other and for what reason?! Just because they think they are tough?!! They need to be taught some respect that they are obviously not learning from home!
Its a shame that scum are taking over this country and its turning out the way it is! Its not going to get any better especially not when people are always finding someone else to blame instead of themselves!

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Lady S, Surrey says...
4:19pm Tue 15 Jul 08

P,

that is exactly what you are doing.
Anyway i do partly agree with what your saying about the parents but in some cases its not always the parents fault either because if the kid is out of control an a parent wants to smack their child or disiplin their child some way or another then the law doesnt allow it! ther was a young boy who lived near me and he was so naughty an his mum hit him (i dont mean beat him) but just hit him an the police got called by the boy an they arrested his mum!
I dont want my kids growing up in this country.. but its where i was born an brought up. I think the whole system is wrong!

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Trasie, mitcham says...
4:47pm Tue 15 Jul 08

Unfortunately, the government want to stop it happening but the only people they can directly punish is the parents. Their latest guideline is to evict parents from their home even though they may not know what their kids have been up to (Shakilus' parents didn't have clue about their sons gang life). I'm all for National Service. If children don't want to stay on further at school or they don't have an apprentiship/job to start do national service. I've heard comments about why should the army take on this riff raff but to me they are the best trained to deal with aggressive, disruptive teenagers.

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EL, UK says...
5:12pm Tue 15 Jul 08

Lady S wrote:
P, I am NOT finding excuses im stating the facts and I think you'll find, if you go to an area where the majority of people are white! then all of the trouble is caused by WHITE people! (by the way im not black nor white.. im somewhere inbetween, before you start thinking im racist against white people). Just look at Mitcham Pollards hill an tell me that the crime rate is high there because of black people! oh and it is racist saying that, it is black people! when you have no proof, apart from the few articles that you read in the papers. You do know that not all incidents are reported in the paper, dont you?

Yep. The murder rate in Strathclyde is three times that of London. Guess what colour those perpetrators are?

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ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
5:35pm Tue 15 Jul 08

I feel so very sorry for the black population. It must be awful to think that, no matter how clever or good you are, the racists will look on you as a potential criminal. Perhaps we should transport all the racists to Australia.

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Kes, Upper Norwood says...
8:34pm Tue 15 Jul 08

EL wrote:

Lady S wrote: P, I am NOT finding excuses im stating the facts and I think you'll find, if you go to an area where the majority of people are white! then all of the trouble is caused by WHITE people! (by the way im not black nor white.. im somewhere inbetween, before you start thinking im racist against white people). Just look at Mitcham Pollards hill an tell me that the crime rate is high there because of black people! oh and it is racist saying that, it is black people! when you have no proof, apart from the few articles that you read in the papers. You do know that not all incidents are reported in the paper, dont you?
Yep. The murder rate in Strathclyde is three times that of London. Guess what colour those perpetrators are?

Where did you get that info from? Just wondering? Yep!

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Kes, Upper Norwood says...
8:40pm Tue 15 Jul 08

Who cares who committing what anymore. The politicians have turned our country into a dustbin. Then they get our Army involved in sorting out other countries' problems. 'Despair' is the word and this is what my father wasted 6 years of his life for 70 years ago.

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Kes, Upper Norwood says...
8:43pm Tue 15 Jul 08

ANNE GILES wrote:
Good for you, Trasie. Croyboy is an arch-racist. Gun and knife crime has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the colour of one's skin. Our senior officers here are doing everything possible to tackle this problem.

And pigs are flying!!

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Kes, Upper Norwood says...
9:26pm Tue 15 Jul 08

ANNE GILES wrote:
I feel so very sorry for the black population. It must be awful to think that, no matter how clever or good you are, the racists will look on you as a potential criminal. Perhaps we should transport all the racists to Australia.

Are you insinuating that Australia is racist?

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me, croydon says...
9:48pm Tue 15 Jul 08

Yep. The murder rate in Strathclyde is three times that of London. Guess what colour those perpetrators are?

Where did you get that info from? Just wondering? Yep!

My husband grew up in the Glasgow area in the fifties (you wouldn't have seen many "black" faces in Scotland then) He tells quite a few stories of the violence he got involved in and has scars to prove it!
The fights would be because of the area or road you lived in or religion, Catholic versus Protestant.
No matter what colour the skin, many youths will still find any excuse for a brawl.

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EL, UK says...
9:46am Wed 16 Jul 08

Kes wrote:

EL wrote:
Lady S wrote: P, I am NOT finding excuses im stating the facts and I think you'll find, if you go to an area where the majority of people are white! then all of the trouble is caused by WHITE people! (by the way im not black nor white.. im somewhere inbetween, before you start thinking im racist against white people). Just look at Mitcham Pollards hill an tell me that the crime rate is high there because of black people! oh and it is racist saying that, it is black people! when you have no proof, apart from the few articles that you read in the papers. You do know that not all incidents are reported in the paper, dont you?
Yep. The murder rate in Strathclyde is three times that of London. Guess what colour those perpetrators are?
Where did you get that info from? Just wondering? Yep!

Yep!

A couple of weeks ago there was a week of programmes on C4 called disarming Britain. The statistic was told on the programme where Cherie Blair (Booth) had a commission together to see if they could find a way to stop it all. The piece just showed that the crime is down to social economics rather than skin colour. Very interesting.

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ODD, London says...
9:57am Wed 16 Jul 08

"But tell me, Lady S, why do you suppose the Met has set up Operation Trident, which is specifically to deal with black-on-black gun crime? According to the Metropolitan Polices Authority's own site "75% percent of London's gun crime involves the victim and suspect both coming from the capital's black communities".

Operation Trident was originally set up to tackle drug crime not black on black gun crime. 75% of London's gun crime, maybe, but let's not forget the rest of the UK.

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ODD, London says...
10:04am Wed 16 Jul 08

ODD wrote:
"But tell me, Lady S, why do you suppose the Met has set up Operation Trident, which is specifically to deal with black-on-black gun crime? According to the Metropolitan Polices Authority's own site "75% percent of London's gun crime involves the victim and suspect both coming from the capital's black communities". Operation Trident was originally set up to tackle drug crime not black on black gun crime. 75% of London's gun crime, maybe, but let's not forget the rest of the UK.

Sorry.. I.e like Liverpool where gun crime is overwhelmingly carried out by white youths. Scotland, where voilent crime is again mostly carried out by and in the white community, etc.

We cannot deny that there is an issue with crime amongst young people in the black community of London, and I don't think anyone is trying to deny it. But lets not lay all the blame at one door when its clearly not the case. Instead of pointing fingers, its time for us as a whole, to sort all problems of all crime.

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jacqui probert, bristol says...
10:52am Wed 16 Jul 08

ANNE GILES wrote:
I feel so very sorry for the black population. It must be awful to think that, no matter how clever or good you are, the racists will look on you as a potential criminal. Perhaps we should transport all the racists to Australia.

may be that wpould be a good idea because they are fussy who they allow in auz.... ann so stop chattin rubbish there is no race issue here... the men were blcak who got shot..... my daughter was also shot by black men from croyden.... there is a gun and knife problem but unless people start addressin the problem then its gonna get worst do you feel sorry for the white people who get shot you silly women...

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ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
11:28am Wed 16 Jul 08

Well, this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Here where I live, most crime is committed by white males. So shut up.

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LondonG, London says...
11:26am Thu 17 Jul 08

"I don't particularly care what happens in Liverpool or Scotland: I live in London, and here gun crime is not "overwhelmingly carried out by white youths".

You don't have to live in Scotland or Liverpool. You're British aren't you? Liverpool and Scotland are in this very same land that is home to London.

The point is, its not down to skin colour, its down to social economics. As stated above. But I suppose you'll ignore that in favour of pointing fingers at non whites and immigrants. Well done Croyboy. Well done.

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ANNE GILES, SELSDON says...
4:11pm Thu 17 Jul 08

Well done, Bob - I hope you have managed to put that ignorant USA person in his place. Note - he can't even spell toffee. That says it all. An ignorant racist who thinks the USA rules the world. I never go there - not since they started treating visitors badly at the airports.

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