Muslim group pitches in to clear snow (From Croydon Guardian)

Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association pitches in to clear snow in Croydon

4:20pm Monday 21st January 2013 in News

Members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association

A Muslim group were out in force this weekend to clear snow and ease disruption during the cold snap.

Members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association came together to clear important public areas in Croydon.

The 15 strong group left their Croydon Mosque on St. James’ Road on Saturday morning and cleared the pathways leading to Croydon University Hospital’s A&E department.

They also swept snow away around the Holy Saviour Church.

Vicar Xavier Soosainayagan, from Holy Saviour Church, said: "They are wonderful people who have the conscience of public property and make sure of peoples' safety to the hospital or to places of worship.

“God bless them always. We love you."

Mubarak Shams, Regional Youth Leader of AMYA Croydon, said: ''This year marks the 100 year centenary of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community in the United Kingdom.

“We take great joy in the fact that we have been running these kinds of initiatives since our arrival in this great country.

''The Prophet Muhammad was sent as a Mercy for the whole of mankind and so we try to seek every opportunity to help others.

“Anyone in need of help during these hazardous conditions can count on our support.''

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Anthony Harrison says...
12:38am Tue 22 Jan 13

Why are you reporting them as Muslim instead of Asian?

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Hellomynameis says...
12:40am Tue 22 Jan 13

That's wonderful how sweet of them to do such a thing.

Muhammad was sent as a mercy to mankind and its nice to see that the Ahmadiyya although not accepted as Muslims and following beliefs which take them outside of the fold of Islam (following a prophet after Muhammad the final messenger etc...) are inspired by the Islamic faith enough to follow in charitable deeds.

A few points though:

1. The Ahmadiyya prophet said terrible things about Jesus and Christians in his most famous sequence of books Rohaani Khazain Vol. 11 page 291 he mentioned "He (Jesus Christ) had nothing but deception and deceit and it was a pity the idiotic Christians took him as God". He also said in Anjame Athame Roohani Khazain Vol.11 Page 9 "Exceptionally wicked and evil people are born in the Christian nation". Regarding Christian Priests he wrote "So their is no doubt that the priests of this era are anti-Christs and liars" from his Noorul Haq Rohaani Qazain Vol. 8 page 82.

2. When the press officer contacts local newspapers for every "Good deed" the community does then surely this degrades the act of charity.

Note: Muslims do not believe Jesus was a liar, whereas the Ahmadiyya community do. Muslims believe that Jesus was a sinless Prophet of God.

To anyone who responds why is a Muslim saying not in my name for a charitable act this is not the case. I accept the Ahmadiyya faith is one inspired/plagiarised from Islam.

To any claim that my comments persecute the Ahmadiyya community. This is not the case I have merely revealed the truth about the Ahmadiyya beliefs, from their own books, which some in the community are keeping from being translated from Urdu.

"Love for All Hatred for None?"
Judge for yourself...the Ahmadiyya Prophet Mirza Ghulam (He is not accepted by Muslims who believe that no prophet after Muhammad SAW would come in any guise. This belief has been held by Muslims from Muhammad's SAW announcement of Prophethood to the present day) did not stop with Christians he said many terrible and appalling things about people of other religions including Sikhs, Hindu's and Muslims.

That's wonderful how sweet of them to do such a thing. Muhammad was sent as a mercy to mankind and its nice to see that the Ahmadiyya although not accepted as Muslims and following beliefs which take them outside of the fold of Islam (following a prophet after Muhammad the final messenger etc...) are inspired by the Islamic faith enough to follow in charitable deeds. A few points though: 1. The Ahmadiyya prophet said terrible things about Jesus and Christians in his most famous sequence of books Rohaani Khazain Vol. 11 page 291 he mentioned "He (Jesus Christ) had nothing but deception and deceit and it was a pity the idiotic Christians took him as God". He also said in Anjame Athame Roohani Khazain Vol.11 Page 9 "Exceptionally wicked and evil people are born in the Christian nation". Regarding Christian Priests he wrote "So their is no doubt that the priests of this era are anti-Christs and liars" from his Noorul Haq Rohaani Qazain Vol. 8 page 82. 2. When the press officer contacts local newspapers for every "Good deed" the community does then surely this degrades the act of charity. Note: Muslims do not believe Jesus was a liar, whereas the Ahmadiyya community do. Muslims believe that Jesus was a sinless Prophet of God. To anyone who responds why is a Muslim saying not in my name for a charitable act this is not the case. I accept the Ahmadiyya faith is one inspired/plagiarised from Islam. To any claim that my comments persecute the Ahmadiyya community. This is not the case I have merely revealed the truth about the Ahmadiyya beliefs, from their own books, which some in the community are keeping from being translated from Urdu. "Love for All Hatred for None?" Judge for yourself...the Ahmadiyya Prophet Mirza Ghulam (He is not accepted by Muslims who believe that no prophet after Muhammad SAW would come in any guise. This belief has been held by Muslims from Muhammad's SAW announcement of Prophethood to the present day) did not stop with Christians he said many terrible and appalling things about people of other religions including Sikhs, Hindu's and Muslims. Hellomynameis

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Anthony Harrison says...
12:40am Tue 22 Jan 13

OK so it is the name of their group - bet you were pleased about that!

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Hellomynameis says...
1:02am Tue 22 Jan 13

Also I should really mention that The Ahmadiyya of the Ahmadiyya, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed said regarding Muslims "Whosoever does not believe in our victory that it will clearly mean they wish to be a expletive "person born out of wedlock". Anwarul Islam, Roohani Qazain vol.9 page 31.
The Ahmadiyya believe that they are the true Muslims and that anyone who does not accept Mirza Ghulam as a Prophet is a disbeliever.

However they really can shovel snow, so despite their founder spreading hatred they are adapt at spreading salt and grit. So credit where credit is due. Well done for shovelling snow. We applaud your media motivated snow shovelling exercise - :-)

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love4all says...
10:25am Wed 23 Jan 13

This is a great act of humanity, helping others regardless of race or religion.
It is sad that some people choose to battle out arguments over religion through such deeds.
It shouldn't matter what a person believes themselves to be, why does it matter?
The issue here is the humanitarian work which was carried out. Lets hope it encourages others to do the same!

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aahmad says...
10:31am Wed 23 Jan 13

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are peaceful and law abiding citizens practising the true teaching of Islam as taught by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). History has shown that all righteous and God fearing communities have met with opposition of various extremes and we are no different as the comments here suggest.
How a simple act of virtue can be high jacked into this. Actions speak louder than words.
Love for all, hatred for none.

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LoveForAllHatredForNone says...
1:02pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Well done Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Let people say whatever they like. Good work is good work regardless of one's belief. It is unfortunate that while some people are braving the cold to help others, there are other people who sit on their computers all day with nothing better to do than to send out negative sentiments against such a peaceful and organised community. Almighty God will reward each and everyone of us on our merits. The helping of others was a huge part of the life of our beloved Holy Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) and the Ahmadiyya Community is following his example. Shame on those who criticise those who are following the example set by the Holy Prophet himself. There is so much misconception in today's age about Islam and when a bit of good news is published it is amazing that there still exist others who try to nullify even that.

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croydanite says...
2:29pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Good stuff, nice to see such community spirit.

@Hellomynameis, why not leave it at commending the good deed rather than finding ways to single out another group of people in this world. Let’s take a leaf out of Islam and just be happy to promote peace!

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HelpingHand says...
2:55pm Wed 23 Jan 13

LoveForAllHatredForN
one wrote:
Well done Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Let people say whatever they like. Good work is good work regardless of one's belief. It is unfortunate that while some people are braving the cold to help others, there are other people who sit on their computers all day with nothing better to do than to send out negative sentiments against such a peaceful and organised community. Almighty God will reward each and everyone of us on our merits. The helping of others was a huge part of the life of our beloved Holy Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) and the Ahmadiyya Community is following his example. Shame on those who criticise those who are following the example set by the Holy Prophet himself. There is so much misconception in today's age about Islam and when a bit of good news is published it is amazing that there still exist others who try to nullify even that.

@Hellomynameis...all that's being shown here is a simple act of kindness and people who have given up their time to help the community.

The Vicar in the article appreciated it for what it is,

Why don't you go and help instead?

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LoveForAllHatredForNone says...
8:34pm Wed 23 Jan 13

what an kind act :)

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Hellomynameis says...
9:50pm Wed 23 Jan 13

Well thank you Ahmadiyya community for writing supportive comments on your own article about yourselves.
A big self pat on the back.

I noticed that rather than address the points that I had made you chose a personal attack, claiming I'm sat behind my computer all day.

It slightly reeks of hypocrisy when calling people towards the Sunnah and slandering a person.

My comments are all verifiable. This article is a community posting by the Ahmadiyya - linked on the Ahmadiyya website and now swamped by Ahmadiyya commenting.

I didn't criticise the action as far as I can see. I questioned your intention. Whilst intention is reserved for Allah it is clear from the teachings of your prophet mirza that your actions area means to disguise this.

I noticed none of your comments addressed the things your prophet Mirza said about people of other faiths.

You can call it hijacked I would say clarified. The reality of your prophets teachings are not in accordance with your actions therefore some element of deceit must be involved.

The vicar took your actions at face value and is probably a very kind and sweet man. If he was aware of the Ahmadiyya beliefs regarding Jesus and the terrible things Mirza said about christian priests i'm sure he would have questioned the action.

Do you deny that my quotations were correct?

Being a minority does not make you right. You all quote exactly the same brain washed rubbish and ignore the fact that ahadith clearly describe the majority as being on the middle path.

Your claim of helping regardless of race or religion is a joke. There are two mosques closer to you than the church. The fact is it was an inspired media event to promote your organisation as being harmonious in society. Every advert for your community starts by stating the Ahmadiyya did this or that.

Islam as a religion accepts all other faiths to follow their own faith or none.

When you promote your teachings as if they are exclusive to the Ahmadiyya community this is not the case you have simply copied the religion of Islam and added your own Prophet and understanding, despite the fact that Muslims have kept pure the religion of Islam and refer to knowledge passed from the time of the prophet to today.

Every Ahmadiyya has a membership number and has to pay monthly fees. These fees cover the costs of your marketing activity - like this activity.

Don't get me wrong it was a nice thing to do but at least be honest about your intentions. When you walked past the mosques to go here did you really think love for all hatred for none or were you thinking marketing.

The facts are that you know Muslims already realise the falsehood in your teachings so you seek to use the truth of Islam to lure people in then add your own stories of Jesus living in India and getting married etc...

Well thank you Ahmadiyya community for writing supportive comments on your own article about yourselves. A big self pat on the back. I noticed that rather than address the points that I had made you chose a personal attack, claiming I'm sat behind my computer all day. It slightly reeks of hypocrisy when calling people towards the Sunnah and slandering a person. My comments are all verifiable. This article is a community posting by the Ahmadiyya - linked on the Ahmadiyya website and now swamped by Ahmadiyya commenting. I didn't criticise the action as far as I can see. I questioned your intention. Whilst intention is reserved for Allah it is clear from the teachings of your prophet mirza that your actions area means to disguise this. I noticed none of your comments addressed the things your prophet Mirza said about people of other faiths. You can call it hijacked I would say clarified. The reality of your prophets teachings are not in accordance with your actions therefore some element of deceit must be involved. The vicar took your actions at face value and is probably a very kind and sweet man. If he was aware of the Ahmadiyya beliefs regarding Jesus and the terrible things Mirza said about christian priests i'm sure he would have questioned the action. Do you deny that my quotations were correct? Being a minority does not make you right. You all quote exactly the same brain washed rubbish and ignore the fact that ahadith clearly describe the majority as being on the middle path. Your claim of helping regardless of race or religion is a joke. There are two mosques closer to you than the church. The fact is it was an inspired media event to promote your organisation as being harmonious in society. Every advert for your community starts by stating the Ahmadiyya did this or that. Islam as a religion accepts all other faiths to follow their own faith or none. When you promote your teachings as if they are exclusive to the Ahmadiyya community this is not the case you have simply copied the religion of Islam and added your own Prophet and understanding, despite the fact that Muslims have kept pure the religion of Islam and refer to knowledge passed from the time of the prophet to today. Every Ahmadiyya has a membership number and has to pay monthly fees. These fees cover the costs of your marketing activity - like this activity. Don't get me wrong it was a nice thing to do but at least be honest about your intentions. When you walked past the mosques to go here did you really think love for all hatred for none or were you thinking marketing. The facts are that you know Muslims already realise the falsehood in your teachings so you seek to use the truth of Islam to lure people in then add your own stories of Jesus living in India and getting married etc... Hellomynameis

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Hellomynameis says...
10:02pm Wed 23 Jan 13

This is exactly why you helped at the church rather than any other location.

So that anyone suggesting that you might be performing a media exercise would be attacked for being hateful.

You've been established for 100 years in the UK and only started shovelling snow in the last two years. It would be irrational to think that these actions are anything but copycat for other groups religious and none religious whose intentions were not a schewed as yours

Love for All Hatred for None

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Hellomynameis says...
11:24pm Wed 23 Jan 13

...we are all law abiding citizens i'm not sure why you feel the need to constantly say it. A law abiding citizen is one and they dont need to constantly profess it. They just get on with it.

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Steven Jericho says...
1:25am Thu 24 Jan 13

aahmad wrote:
The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community are peaceful and law abiding citizens practising the true teaching of Islam as taught by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). History has shown that all righteous and God fearing communities have met with opposition of various extremes and we are no different as the comments here suggest.
How a simple act of virtue can be high jacked into this. Actions speak louder than words.
Love for all, hatred for none.

You say: "History has shown that all righteous and God fearing communities have met with opposition of various extremes and we are no different as the comments here suggest"

The Prophet Muhammad was certainly opposed, but obviously not by the his own followers (i.e. The Muslims), which clearly can not be said about the Ahmadiyya group.

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HelpingHand says...
3:58pm Thu 24 Jan 13

@Hellomynameis.. stop feeling sorry for yourself, no-one is attacking you personally. You'll notice it's defending against your attack. Please note that you started the first comment and the rest is a response to you. If you couldn't take it you should have left it. Also no-body's been doing this for only two years (if your going to say something be honest) and this thing you have about publicity maybe you're trying to get some. If so then you know there is a better place for debate and you've used this as your pedestal to get a wrong word in. This is just a site of a local newspaper but it's an easy target for you I guess.

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HelpingHand says...
4:08pm Thu 24 Jan 13

@Steven Jericho....Your comment makes very little sense since at the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) there were essentially no Muslims until they accepted him as the Prophet of Allah so they were hardly going to oppose him when they've just accepted him. To correct you he was strongly opposed by his own people in the country at the time, even members of his own family and particularly by the established elite who inflicted persecution.

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Hellomynameis says...
12:48am Fri 25 Jan 13

@Helping Hand - the two years of shovelling snow is a direct quote from another press release here from the Ahmadiyya community. "Ever since the big snow showers of 2010, local members of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association (AMYA) have come together to ensure that their neighbours and people driving or walking through their neighbourhoods do so safely". - http://www.thisiscro
ydontoday.co.uk/Musl
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detail/story.html

Best check with your press officer in future before commenting. I don't feel sorry for myself at all thanks. As for publicity - what exactly am I seeking publicity for other than the truth?

Can you please suggest a better place for this discussion if you feel that a public forum is not the correct one?

I'm not sure what you mean by getting a wrong word in. Are you referring to the quotations from your prophet? Are you denying that they are correct?

I can't think of a better location to respond to an article than at its exact location.

The Ahmadiyya website doesnt allow for comments so I couldnt post it there. My email to the Ahmadiyya community was responding too in a generic way and didn't address my comments.

Your comment to Mr. Jericho makes no sense especially since he stated that the Prophet Muhammad was not opposed by Muslims, he did not refer to the community although it appears your complaints have had his rather innocuous comment removed.

The reality is that Muslims unanimously accepted the Prophet Muhammad SAW. In comparison Mirza Ghulam is not accepted by Muslims. Your statement tends to suggest that you believe none Ahmadiyya are in fact like the None Muslims who opposed the messengership of Muhammad SAW. Is that the case?

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Hellomynameis says...
12:50am Fri 25 Jan 13

My bad... Mr Jericho's comment remains, please forgive my error.

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flibblywibble2 says...
4:56pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Hey, here's an idea: How about we all imagine that every instance of the word 'Muslim' has been replaced with the word 'community'.

This way it won't be possible to turn a nice story about a group of people helping others into a bizzare debate on the minutiae of religious texts.

If that's too complicated for you, just imagine that the picture above is of a local Scout group.

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