Burnley told hands-off Barnes

Croydon Guardian: Albion want to keep Ashley Barnes Albion want to keep Ashley Barnes

  Burnley have been told to forget about signing Ashley Barnes.


  The Lancastrians have been linked with a bid for the Albion striker.


  The Argus understands they have expressed an interest but Barnes is well out of their price range and remains in the plans of head coach Oscar Garcia.


  The injury-hit Seagulls have no desire to lose firepower, especially so close to the Monday night shut down of the transfer window.

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3:36pm Thu 29 Aug 13

oksouthstander says...

We've yet to see the best of Barnes and yes it would be a huge blunder to let him go with us with such a shortage of fit strikers.We need goal power in depth to play the Oscar way..
We've yet to see the best of Barnes and yes it would be a huge blunder to let him go with us with such a shortage of fit strikers.We need goal power in depth to play the Oscar way.. oksouthstander
  • Score: 13

3:40pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Bob! says...

Excellent News!
Now lets concentrate on getting in those 2 or 3 players that Oscar wants before the window closes.
Excellent News! Now lets concentrate on getting in those 2 or 3 players that Oscar wants before the window closes. Bob!
  • Score: 6

3:40pm Thu 29 Aug 13

VegasSeagull says...

So what was the article telling us that Barnes was heading north for talks all about, just more BS as was the 500k supposed asking price.
I am glad that the club has acted very quickly to get ahead of this story.
So what was the article telling us that Barnes was heading north for talks all about, just more BS as was the 500k supposed asking price. I am glad that the club has acted very quickly to get ahead of this story. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -13

3:42pm Thu 29 Aug 13

SMF20 says...

I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.
I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season. SMF20
  • Score: 6

3:43pm Thu 29 Aug 13

mikeygit says...

Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.
Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk. mikeygit
  • Score: 8

3:46pm Thu 29 Aug 13

mrgull says...

the statement reads well out of their price range!!!!!!does that mean abetter offer might change things
the statement reads well out of their price range!!!!!!does that mean abetter offer might change things mrgull
  • Score: 10

3:48pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Aye Aye says...

I guess that's the end of the debate then chaps - we've just all got to learn to love him!!
I guess that's the end of the debate then chaps - we've just all got to learn to love him!! Aye Aye
  • Score: 2

3:54pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Chi Gull says...

SMF20 wrote:
I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.
I think you are right. If everyone gets fit it's quite a strong squad. OGJ has mentioned further loans as a possibility but I don't think the deadline for those is Monday ?
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.[/p][/quote]I think you are right. If everyone gets fit it's quite a strong squad. OGJ has mentioned further loans as a possibility but I don't think the deadline for those is Monday ? Chi Gull
  • Score: 2

3:54pm Thu 29 Aug 13

novascotiagull says...

Not so sure "content" accurately describes the situation but its close and I am OK with that.

I think that OG knows he could use help in some areas but I have a hunch that OG and B and B are in sync with the belief that we can get by with what we have, including an increased use of youngsters, and that to do so would be be a much better idea for the clubs long term success than chucking silly money at someone for a short term fix. Frankly, there is nothing amazing on the table for sale and our best bet might be a quiet deal to grab another Premiership player who is surplus to requirements on loan like WB. That kind of deal will by design, come late, after all the permanent transfer deals are done.

OG seems to be quietly getting on with what he has at his disposal and my feeling is we will only see something significant if it is another season long loan deal.

The trouble with being close to a promotion spot is that it makes you think in short duration moves. What might be good for us this year, could be a burden next year, or not, depending on what transpires with promotion. Its easier to make smart moves when you absolutely know you are a real contender or a no hoper. I think the truth is we are close to being a real contender so there is a bit of a gamble involved but hey, look who is running the club... we should feel safe under the circumstances that the right guy is in charge of gambling in this area.
Not so sure "content" accurately describes the situation but its close and I am OK with that. I think that OG knows he could use help in some areas but I have a hunch that OG and B and B are in sync with the belief that we can get by with what we have, including an increased use of youngsters, and that to do so would be be a much better idea for the clubs long term success than chucking silly money at someone for a short term fix. Frankly, there is nothing amazing on the table for sale and our best bet might be a quiet deal to grab another Premiership player who is surplus to requirements on loan like WB. That kind of deal will by design, come late, after all the permanent transfer deals are done. OG seems to be quietly getting on with what he has at his disposal and my feeling is we will only see something significant if it is another season long loan deal. The trouble with being close to a promotion spot is that it makes you think in short duration moves. What might be good for us this year, could be a burden next year, or not, depending on what transpires with promotion. Its easier to make smart moves when you absolutely know you are a real contender or a no hoper. I think the truth is we are close to being a real contender so there is a bit of a gamble involved but hey, look who is running the club... we should feel safe under the circumstances that the right guy is in charge of gambling in this area. novascotiagull
  • Score: 19

3:55pm Thu 29 Aug 13

VegasSeagull says...

SMF20 wrote:
I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.
It does look that way SMF20 but I have to think that a new striker is on their radar.
The two positions on the park that require a natural ability are, the keeper and the striker, Oscar can impliment a style of play that creates more chances for a striker, but he still has to convert the chance, I don't think you can educate a player how to score as it comes from within.
Oscar can bring on the DS lads, have them take up better positions and make better runs, but once the chance comes, natural ability takes over.
I think we need to sign a natural striker and continue to develope the DS lads and see if any of them have that natural ability rather than gamble on at least one of them showing they have.
Other than a striker, yep I think the club will go with what they have, and are content to do so.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.[/p][/quote]It does look that way SMF20 but I have to think that a new striker is on their radar. The two positions on the park that require a natural ability are, the keeper and the striker, Oscar can impliment a style of play that creates more chances for a striker, but he still has to convert the chance, I don't think you can educate a player how to score as it comes from within. Oscar can bring on the DS lads, have them take up better positions and make better runs, but once the chance comes, natural ability takes over. I think we need to sign a natural striker and continue to develope the DS lads and see if any of them have that natural ability rather than gamble on at least one of them showing they have. Other than a striker, yep I think the club will go with what they have, and are content to do so. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -10

3:59pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Conelli98 says...

We still need a striker because it only needs another injury.IMO
We still need a striker because it only needs another injury.IMO Conelli98
  • Score: 9

3:59pm Thu 29 Aug 13

VegasSeagull says...

mikeygit wrote:
Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.
The article I read that told of his journey was on one of the web sites I visit daily, but there are many so I will have to go through them again to find it. On the other thread I noticed that another poster on here quoted from the same article. I think I found it thru the , 'News Now,' web site, but I will check.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.[/p][/quote]The article I read that told of his journey was on one of the web sites I visit daily, but there are many so I will have to go through them again to find it. On the other thread I noticed that another poster on here quoted from the same article. I think I found it thru the , 'News Now,' web site, but I will check. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -12

4:02pm Thu 29 Aug 13

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.
The article I read that told of his journey was on one of the web sites I visit daily, but there are many so I will have to go through them again to find it. On the other thread I noticed that another poster on here quoted from the same article. I think I found it thru the , 'News Now,' web site, but I will check.
yep there is an article on, 'Sportsdirectnews' which I accessed via the, 'Newsnow,' web site.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.[/p][/quote]The article I read that told of his journey was on one of the web sites I visit daily, but there are many so I will have to go through them again to find it. On the other thread I noticed that another poster on here quoted from the same article. I think I found it thru the , 'News Now,' web site, but I will check.[/p][/quote]yep there is an article on, 'Sportsdirectnews' which I accessed via the, 'Newsnow,' web site. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -15

4:05pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Conelli98 says...

In the article it does not mention that Barnes wants to stay or indeed that there are any negotiations in extending or renewing contract. What if offer was doubled and how do BHA know what funds Burnley have. Did they not sell Austin for a tidy sum?
In the article it does not mention that Barnes wants to stay or indeed that there are any negotiations in extending or renewing contract. What if offer was doubled and how do BHA know what funds Burnley have. Did they not sell Austin for a tidy sum? Conelli98
  • Score: 1

4:15pm Thu 29 Aug 13

VegasSeagull says...

Conelli98 wrote:
In the article it does not mention that Barnes wants to stay or indeed that there are any negotiations in extending or renewing contract. What if offer was doubled and how do BHA know what funds Burnley have. Did they not sell Austin for a tidy sum?
I would guess that Burnley mentioned some kind of a deal and that they were way off the value Brighton place on Barnes, it might even be that Brighton suggested a figure and Burnley let it be known that couldn't meet it.
I could be wrong but I sure that I read somewhere that the Burnley manager hinted at their shortage of transfer funds, I think it was FFP related, something about 8 million they had to find.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: In the article it does not mention that Barnes wants to stay or indeed that there are any negotiations in extending or renewing contract. What if offer was doubled and how do BHA know what funds Burnley have. Did they not sell Austin for a tidy sum?[/p][/quote]I would guess that Burnley mentioned some kind of a deal and that they were way off the value Brighton place on Barnes, it might even be that Brighton suggested a figure and Burnley let it be known that couldn't meet it. I could be wrong but I sure that I read somewhere that the Burnley manager hinted at their shortage of transfer funds, I think it was FFP related, something about 8 million they had to find. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -11

4:16pm Thu 29 Aug 13

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Barnes is a good player and I'm glad he is in OG's plans for this season.
Barnes is a good player and I'm glad he is in OG's plans for this season. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 5

4:19pm Thu 29 Aug 13

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
In the article it does not mention that Barnes wants to stay or indeed that there are any negotiations in extending or renewing contract. What if offer was doubled and how do BHA know what funds Burnley have. Did they not sell Austin for a tidy sum?
I would guess that Burnley mentioned some kind of a deal and that they were way off the value Brighton place on Barnes, it might even be that Brighton suggested a figure and Burnley let it be known that couldn't meet it.
I could be wrong but I sure that I read somewhere that the Burnley manager hinted at their shortage of transfer funds, I think it was FFP related, something about 8 million they had to find.
Yep, the Lancashire Telegraph have an article which mentions of the financial issues at Burnley, they indeed did lose 8 million last year.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: In the article it does not mention that Barnes wants to stay or indeed that there are any negotiations in extending or renewing contract. What if offer was doubled and how do BHA know what funds Burnley have. Did they not sell Austin for a tidy sum?[/p][/quote]I would guess that Burnley mentioned some kind of a deal and that they were way off the value Brighton place on Barnes, it might even be that Brighton suggested a figure and Burnley let it be known that couldn't meet it. I could be wrong but I sure that I read somewhere that the Burnley manager hinted at their shortage of transfer funds, I think it was FFP related, something about 8 million they had to find.[/p][/quote]Yep, the Lancashire Telegraph have an article which mentions of the financial issues at Burnley, they indeed did lose 8 million last year. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -11

4:20pm Thu 29 Aug 13

mrgull says...

good polnts Conelli l don't think weve heard the last of the barnes transfer saga yet
good polnts Conelli l don't think weve heard the last of the barnes transfer saga yet mrgull
  • Score: 1

4:23pm Thu 29 Aug 13

rolivan says...

Why would AB want to go to Burnley in the first place unless he doesn't have ambitions.I still think we will end up wih a better squad than last year even without Vicente who played very few games anyway and Bridge who was a great opportunity that came along and I am sure would have stayed if we had entered Dreamland.
Why would AB want to go to Burnley in the first place unless he doesn't have ambitions.I still think we will end up wih a better squad than last year even without Vicente who played very few games anyway and Bridge who was a great opportunity that came along and I am sure would have stayed if we had entered Dreamland. rolivan
  • Score: 5

4:31pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Aye Aye says...

For "hands off" I read "come back with a better offer and we'll talk!"
For "hands off" I read "come back with a better offer and we'll talk!" Aye Aye
  • Score: 7

4:35pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Hovite says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.
The article I read that told of his journey was on one of the web sites I visit daily, but there are many so I will have to go through them again to find it. On the other thread I noticed that another poster on here quoted from the same article. I think I found it thru the , 'News Now,' web site, but I will check.
yep there is an article on, 'Sportsdirectnews' which I accessed via the, 'Newsnow,' web site.
I don't know why that as soon as you post you automatically get -20 thumbs.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.[/p][/quote]The article I read that told of his journey was on one of the web sites I visit daily, but there are many so I will have to go through them again to find it. On the other thread I noticed that another poster on here quoted from the same article. I think I found it thru the , 'News Now,' web site, but I will check.[/p][/quote]yep there is an article on, 'Sportsdirectnews' which I accessed via the, 'Newsnow,' web site.[/p][/quote]I don't know why that as soon as you post you automatically get -20 thumbs. Hovite
  • Score: 1

4:43pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Aye Aye says...

Hovite wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.
The article I read that told of his journey was on one of the web sites I visit daily, but there are many so I will have to go through them again to find it. On the other thread I noticed that another poster on here quoted from the same article. I think I found it thru the , 'News Now,' web site, but I will check.
yep there is an article on, 'Sportsdirectnews' which I accessed via the, 'Newsnow,' web site.
I don't know why that as soon as you post you automatically get -20 thumbs.
Not from me. I don't always agree with Vegas but I do always appreciate the constructive argument he puts either for or against an issue being debated. And for those who think that erudite is a a strong adhesive, I wish you'd go and play somewhere else!
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.[/p][/quote]The article I read that told of his journey was on one of the web sites I visit daily, but there are many so I will have to go through them again to find it. On the other thread I noticed that another poster on here quoted from the same article. I think I found it thru the , 'News Now,' web site, but I will check.[/p][/quote]yep there is an article on, 'Sportsdirectnews' which I accessed via the, 'Newsnow,' web site.[/p][/quote]I don't know why that as soon as you post you automatically get -20 thumbs.[/p][/quote]Not from me. I don't always agree with Vegas but I do always appreciate the constructive argument he puts either for or against an issue being debated. And for those who think that erudite is a a strong adhesive, I wish you'd go and play somewhere else! Aye Aye
  • Score: 14

4:45pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Tommy11 says...

Like the Greer saga, I can't help but think that we may kick ourselves in a couple of years for not flogging the pair of them. Barnes is different though, as he is young and is probably worth a bit of money. Plus (amazingly may I add) he has a lot of championship games under his belt. However I have never rated him, and I hope he proves me wrong - but I do think he may fizzle out in the championship and drop down the leages in a few years. He will eventually leave on a free, and this was our big opportunity to make a tidy profit on him. As i said, I hope he proves me wrong. But he has been with us over three years now, and he remains the same sort of scrappy player he has always been. Everytime I hear is name read out strating upfront, im not confident he will score. Is this what we really want from our 'Number 9'?
Like the Greer saga, I can't help but think that we may kick ourselves in a couple of years for not flogging the pair of them. Barnes is different though, as he is young and is probably worth a bit of money. Plus (amazingly may I add) he has a lot of championship games under his belt. However I have never rated him, and I hope he proves me wrong - but I do think he may fizzle out in the championship and drop down the leages in a few years. He will eventually leave on a free, and this was our big opportunity to make a tidy profit on him. As i said, I hope he proves me wrong. But he has been with us over three years now, and he remains the same sort of scrappy player he has always been. Everytime I hear is name read out strating upfront, im not confident he will score. Is this what we really want from our 'Number 9'? Tommy11
  • Score: 5

5:11pm Thu 29 Aug 13

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.
The article I read that told of his journey was on one of the web sites I visit daily, but there are many so I will have to go through them again to find it. On the other thread I noticed that another poster on here quoted from the same article. I think I found it thru the , 'News Now,' web site, but I will check.
yep there is an article on, 'Sportsdirectnews' which I accessed via the, 'Newsnow,' web site.
I don't know why that as soon as you post you automatically get -20 thumbs.
I have to say Hovite I don't know either, I don't care, it means nothing, but I think there are those on here, with a few identities, that hit the thumbs down button simply becaue I have posted a comment, the content matters not.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.[/p][/quote]The article I read that told of his journey was on one of the web sites I visit daily, but there are many so I will have to go through them again to find it. On the other thread I noticed that another poster on here quoted from the same article. I think I found it thru the , 'News Now,' web site, but I will check.[/p][/quote]yep there is an article on, 'Sportsdirectnews' which I accessed via the, 'Newsnow,' web site.[/p][/quote]I don't know why that as soon as you post you automatically get -20 thumbs.[/p][/quote]I have to say Hovite I don't know either, I don't care, it means nothing, but I think there are those on here, with a few identities, that hit the thumbs down button simply becaue I have posted a comment, the content matters not. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

5:15pm Thu 29 Aug 13

VegasSeagull says...

Barnes is an asset we should keep for this season.
Barnes is an asset we should keep for this season. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -5

5:20pm Thu 29 Aug 13

WiseOldSeagull says...

The split opinion on Barnes might be that he just isn't a flair player or a player that makes an obvious game changing contribution to a game. As a striker your remit is to score goals and he really hasn't done enough of that whatever the reasons may be. He doesn't contribute with enough assists either to boost his rekoning in the final third. The argument against him is that when all is said and done his inclusion in the team is to make an impact in the final third. No matter how much good work he does defensivly will never make up for the lack of delivery at the business end of the pitch.

He is our back up striker at present so we should probably keep hold of him if we can incase of injury to Ulloa. However when CMS returns to match fitness and the likes of Barker and Dickenson knocking on the door he may become surplus to requirements.

So the choice is offer a new contract or sell for a reasonable price. If he doesn't sign a new contract before January we will have to sell him.
The split opinion on Barnes might be that he just isn't a flair player or a player that makes an obvious game changing contribution to a game. As a striker your remit is to score goals and he really hasn't done enough of that whatever the reasons may be. He doesn't contribute with enough assists either to boost his rekoning in the final third. The argument against him is that when all is said and done his inclusion in the team is to make an impact in the final third. No matter how much good work he does defensivly will never make up for the lack of delivery at the business end of the pitch. He is our back up striker at present so we should probably keep hold of him if we can incase of injury to Ulloa. However when CMS returns to match fitness and the likes of Barker and Dickenson knocking on the door he may become surplus to requirements. So the choice is offer a new contract or sell for a reasonable price. If he doesn't sign a new contract before January we will have to sell him. WiseOldSeagull
  • Score: 4

5:29pm Thu 29 Aug 13

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

SMF20 wrote:
I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.
To be honest I'm content with what we've got, especially a manager who seems more confident in his ability to get the best out of the players available to him rather than complaining about not being able to get the right players. Eventually we'll get some new players but I'd rather we waited and got the right players rather than panic buying another Dobbie at the last minute. Apart from Bridge Brighton are starting this season with a better team than they did last season. We're in a good position.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.[/p][/quote]To be honest I'm content with what we've got, especially a manager who seems more confident in his ability to get the best out of the players available to him rather than complaining about not being able to get the right players. Eventually we'll get some new players but I'd rather we waited and got the right players rather than panic buying another Dobbie at the last minute. Apart from Bridge Brighton are starting this season with a better team than they did last season. We're in a good position. AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 9

5:30pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Chi Gull says...

I never have understood why some dislike Barnes so much. He scores goals and gets into goalscoring positions and for the last two seasons has played more as a midfielder than an out and out striker. He holds the ball up well and I think has got stronger on the ball in the last 12 months. His record compares favourably with CMS (since CMS joined us) other than his disciplinary record. He also gives 100% which usually endears a player to fans and is versatile. He is never going to be a world beater, but I think he is a good Championship player.
I never have understood why some dislike Barnes so much. He scores goals and gets into goalscoring positions and for the last two seasons has played more as a midfielder than an out and out striker. He holds the ball up well and I think has got stronger on the ball in the last 12 months. His record compares favourably with CMS (since CMS joined us) other than his disciplinary record. He also gives 100% which usually endears a player to fans and is versatile. He is never going to be a world beater, but I think he is a good Championship player. Chi Gull
  • Score: 10

5:33pm Thu 29 Aug 13

AburridoEnTrabajo says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Like the Greer saga, I can't help but think that we may kick ourselves in a couple of years for not flogging the pair of them. Barnes is different though, as he is young and is probably worth a bit of money. Plus (amazingly may I add) he has a lot of championship games under his belt. However I have never rated him, and I hope he proves me wrong - but I do think he may fizzle out in the championship and drop down the leages in a few years. He will eventually leave on a free, and this was our big opportunity to make a tidy profit on him. As i said, I hope he proves me wrong. But he has been with us over three years now, and he remains the same sort of scrappy player he has always been. Everytime I hear is name read out strating upfront, im not confident he will score. Is this what we really want from our 'Number 9'?
The thing is 500k (if that indeed was the figure) just isn't a tidy profit. We might as well keep him for the season and let him go for a free rather than sell him now for that amount.-
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: Like the Greer saga, I can't help but think that we may kick ourselves in a couple of years for not flogging the pair of them. Barnes is different though, as he is young and is probably worth a bit of money. Plus (amazingly may I add) he has a lot of championship games under his belt. However I have never rated him, and I hope he proves me wrong - but I do think he may fizzle out in the championship and drop down the leages in a few years. He will eventually leave on a free, and this was our big opportunity to make a tidy profit on him. As i said, I hope he proves me wrong. But he has been with us over three years now, and he remains the same sort of scrappy player he has always been. Everytime I hear is name read out strating upfront, im not confident he will score. Is this what we really want from our 'Number 9'?[/p][/quote]The thing is 500k (if that indeed was the figure) just isn't a tidy profit. We might as well keep him for the season and let him go for a free rather than sell him now for that amount.- AburridoEnTrabajo
  • Score: 3

5:44pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Barnes is a good player and I'm glad he is in OG's plans for this season.
Quite how OG can assess the qualities of a player in such a short space of playing time is a little difficult to believe. We are led to believe that OG's style is similar to that of GP but played a tad faster. This essentially requires that players have good technical ability and the ability to read the game in the blink of an eye. In all my days following the blues I have never credited AB with either of these qualities. He always puts in a good 90 minutes of graft, occasionally scores an above average goal but never shines above the rest. If OG has seen something else I shall be ever so pleased and be the first to congratulate both of them. Nevertheless I suspect it is one of the senior managers who is pulling the strings, saying who stays and who goes... and, if they can succeed in getting AB to sign a new contract then stay he will...
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Barnes is a good player and I'm glad he is in OG's plans for this season.[/p][/quote]Quite how OG can assess the qualities of a player in such a short space of playing time is a little difficult to believe. We are led to believe that OG's style is similar to that of GP but played a tad faster. This essentially requires that players have good technical ability and the ability to read the game in the blink of an eye. In all my days following the blues I have never credited AB with either of these qualities. He always puts in a good 90 minutes of graft, occasionally scores an above average goal but never shines above the rest. If OG has seen something else I shall be ever so pleased and be the first to congratulate both of them. Nevertheless I suspect it is one of the senior managers who is pulling the strings, saying who stays and who goes... and, if they can succeed in getting AB to sign a new contract then stay he will... Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 0

5:45pm Thu 29 Aug 13

wiseman of hove says...

SMF20 wrote:
I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.
I think you are almost right on this one, SMF!
Ballantrrae was inviting suggestions the other night on what players were needed and my view was, and remains, that we only need one acquisition - all resources available into a striker Resources spread over three new players seems to be the popular request but why do we need a centre back when we have Greer, Upson, EL Abd and Dunk? Midfield is hardly bereft of decent players either
I think this is a very strong squad but an additional quality striker is surely paramount ahead of the return of CMS (and Hoskins) . I will stick my neck out and say that Oscar will secure a striker, who has some pace and is 'nimble' before the window closes.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.[/p][/quote]I think you are almost right on this one, SMF! Ballantrrae was inviting suggestions the other night on what players were needed and my view was, and remains, that we only need one acquisition - all resources available into a striker Resources spread over three new players seems to be the popular request but why do we need a centre back when we have Greer, Upson, EL Abd and Dunk? Midfield is hardly bereft of decent players either I think this is a very strong squad but an additional quality striker is surely paramount ahead of the return of CMS (and Hoskins) . I will stick my neck out and say that Oscar will secure a striker, who has some pace and is 'nimble' before the window closes. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 13

6:06pm Thu 29 Aug 13

ballantrrae says...

mikeygit wrote:
Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.
Mikeygit It was on the Sports Direct News website - I saw it this morning.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.[/p][/quote]Mikeygit It was on the Sports Direct News website - I saw it this morning. ballantrrae
  • Score: 0

6:10pm Thu 29 Aug 13

saraman says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
SMF20 wrote: I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.
I think you are almost right on this one, SMF! Ballantrrae was inviting suggestions the other night on what players were needed and my view was, and remains, that we only need one acquisition - all resources available into a striker Resources spread over three new players seems to be the popular request but why do we need a centre back when we have Greer, Upson, EL Abd and Dunk? Midfield is hardly bereft of decent players either I think this is a very strong squad but an additional quality striker is surely paramount ahead of the return of CMS (and Hoskins) . I will stick my neck out and say that Oscar will secure a striker, who has some pace and is 'nimble' before the window closes.
I agree wiseman. The defence and midfield is pretty well sorted. Let's spend whatever resources we have on a a top class striker. But only on a top class stiker to compliment Big Leo. That's all we need for a successful season.
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.[/p][/quote]I think you are almost right on this one, SMF! Ballantrrae was inviting suggestions the other night on what players were needed and my view was, and remains, that we only need one acquisition - all resources available into a striker Resources spread over three new players seems to be the popular request but why do we need a centre back when we have Greer, Upson, EL Abd and Dunk? Midfield is hardly bereft of decent players either I think this is a very strong squad but an additional quality striker is surely paramount ahead of the return of CMS (and Hoskins) . I will stick my neck out and say that Oscar will secure a striker, who has some pace and is 'nimble' before the window closes.[/p][/quote]I agree wiseman. The defence and midfield is pretty well sorted. Let's spend whatever resources we have on a a top class striker. But only on a top class stiker to compliment Big Leo. That's all we need for a successful season. saraman
  • Score: 4

6:13pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Aye Aye says...

ballantrrae wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.
Mikeygit It was on the Sports Direct News website - I saw it this morning.
Direct quote form Sports Direct;

Burnley boss Sean Dyche is ready to sign Brighton & Hove Albion's experienced striker Ashley Barnes in a £500,000 deal.
Clarets chief Dyche has been chasing a new forward all summer and is now agreeing a deal with the Seagulls for Barnes who is set to head to Lancashire for talks.
Barnes has also been chased by several cubs in recent weeks since his availability was circulated - but Dyche has swooped as he belatedly finds a replacement for Charlie Austin.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Vegas---sorry but WHERE was the article saying he was heading north for talks?? Not on any Argus web site!! I said on the previous post that everyone was speaking as tho he had gone!! Good news and VERY firm --I thought it would be madness to let him go unless we had a better replacement lined up. Lets hope thats the end of Barnes transfer talk.[/p][/quote]Mikeygit It was on the Sports Direct News website - I saw it this morning.[/p][/quote]Direct quote form Sports Direct; Burnley boss Sean Dyche is ready to sign Brighton & Hove Albion's experienced striker Ashley Barnes in a £500,000 deal. Clarets chief Dyche has been chasing a new forward all summer and is now agreeing a deal with the Seagulls for Barnes who is set to head to Lancashire for talks. Barnes has also been chased by several cubs in recent weeks since his availability was circulated - but Dyche has swooped as he belatedly finds a replacement for Charlie Austin. Aye Aye
  • Score: 2

6:15pm Thu 29 Aug 13

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Jonathan Mouette says...


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Barnes is a good player and I'm glad he is in OG's plans for this season.
Quite how OG can assess the qualities of a player in such a short space of playing time is a little difficult to believe.

Because he watches the players in training I would think. He has watched him now for several weeks at very close quarters in a very intensive manner. Ample time to assess him - his playing ability, his personality and more importantly his potential.
Interestingly a lot of albion fans don't rate AB - but other clubs apparently do.
Jonathan Mouette says... B rian Tawses left foot wrote: Barnes is a good player and I'm glad he is in OG's plans for this season. Quite how OG can assess the qualities of a player in such a short space of playing time is a little difficult to believe. Because he watches the players in training I would think. He has watched him now for several weeks at very close quarters in a very intensive manner. Ample time to assess him - his playing ability, his personality and more importantly his potential. Interestingly a lot of albion fans don't rate AB - but other clubs apparently do. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 6

6:18pm Thu 29 Aug 13

bha3072011 says...

heard vaz te was available...
heard vaz te was available... bha3072011
  • Score: -1

6:25pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Ringmer Rich says...

bha3072011 wrote:
heard vaz te was available...
Have you seen the wages he was on?
[quote][p][bold]bha3072011[/bold] wrote: heard vaz te was available...[/p][/quote]Have you seen the wages he was on? Ringmer Rich
  • Score: 5

6:30pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Gee Jay says...

I am sure that another striker will be signed, as some have said this is the area where we need extra cover.
Here's hoping that CMS is well on the road to recovery, it would be good to have an update on the club's most expensive signing.
Millwall took Forest to extra time last night, only three days before they visit the Amex, surely this has to be an opportunity for Oscar's lads.
I am sure that another striker will be signed, as some have said this is the area where we need extra cover. Here's hoping that CMS is well on the road to recovery, it would be good to have an update on the club's most expensive signing. Millwall took Forest to extra time last night, only three days before they visit the Amex, surely this has to be an opportunity for Oscar's lads. Gee Jay
  • Score: 0

6:42pm Thu 29 Aug 13

ballantrrae says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.
I think you are almost right on this one, SMF!
Ballantrrae was inviting suggestions the other night on what players were needed and my view was, and remains, that we only need one acquisition - all resources available into a striker Resources spread over three new players seems to be the popular request but why do we need a centre back when we have Greer, Upson, EL Abd and Dunk? Midfield is hardly bereft of decent players either
I think this is a very strong squad but an additional quality striker is surely paramount ahead of the return of CMS (and Hoskins) . I will stick my neck out and say that Oscar will secure a striker, who has some pace and is 'nimble' before the window closes.
Wiseman of Hove, the Argus reported a couple of weeks ago that Oscar was wanting to bring in another CB and another Midfielder. Surprisingly in the same report they said a striker was some way down the priority list.
Your point about having 4 CBs is well made and I can only imagine that Oscar would like to get a defender in with some pace, someone who can move forward from defence as Lawrenson did over 30 years ago. I think most posters and I include myself feel that we need another striker - we do look vulnerable if Ulloa is injured.
The one position I think we haven't really got covered is an attacking midfielder like Vicente (but not Vicente great player that he is when fit !). Andrews and Agustien are better players IMO than Dicker and Harley and even the underrated Hammond but at the moment I don't see them fulfilling the 'point of the diamond' role that Vicente and Elliot Bennett could. Furthermore with Orlandi having apparently suffered a set back in his recovery from injury we haven't really got anyone who is available to provide that same attacking creative/goalscoring edge that the 3 of them (Vicente, Bennett and Orlandi) are capable.
Whilst I believe we have a better all round squad than last year I think we are a couple of players 'light' in having sufficient depth and ability to make a sustained push for promotion. All the players currently out with injuries underlines this point.
Let's hope that B and B are not complacent and provide the support that will enable Oscar to sign those extra players (either outright or on loan) that only two weeks ago he was saying were needed.
Let's also hope that the team stay focused and collect all 3 points against Millwall who I always feel are tough opponents.
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.[/p][/quote]I think you are almost right on this one, SMF! Ballantrrae was inviting suggestions the other night on what players were needed and my view was, and remains, that we only need one acquisition - all resources available into a striker Resources spread over three new players seems to be the popular request but why do we need a centre back when we have Greer, Upson, EL Abd and Dunk? Midfield is hardly bereft of decent players either I think this is a very strong squad but an additional quality striker is surely paramount ahead of the return of CMS (and Hoskins) . I will stick my neck out and say that Oscar will secure a striker, who has some pace and is 'nimble' before the window closes.[/p][/quote]Wiseman of Hove, the Argus reported a couple of weeks ago that Oscar was wanting to bring in another CB and another Midfielder. Surprisingly in the same report they said a striker was some way down the priority list. Your point about having 4 CBs is well made and I can only imagine that Oscar would like to get a defender in with some pace, someone who can move forward from defence as Lawrenson did over 30 years ago. I think most posters and I include myself feel that we need another striker - we do look vulnerable if Ulloa is injured. The one position I think we haven't really got covered is an attacking midfielder like Vicente (but not Vicente great player that he is when fit !). Andrews and Agustien are better players IMO than Dicker and Harley and even the underrated Hammond but at the moment I don't see them fulfilling the 'point of the diamond' role that Vicente and Elliot Bennett could. Furthermore with Orlandi having apparently suffered a set back in his recovery from injury we haven't really got anyone who is available to provide that same attacking creative/goalscoring edge that the 3 of them (Vicente, Bennett and Orlandi) are capable. Whilst I believe we have a better all round squad than last year I think we are a couple of players 'light' in having sufficient depth and ability to make a sustained push for promotion. All the players currently out with injuries underlines this point. Let's hope that B and B are not complacent and provide the support that will enable Oscar to sign those extra players (either outright or on loan) that only two weeks ago he was saying were needed. Let's also hope that the team stay focused and collect all 3 points against Millwall who I always feel are tough opponents. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

6:57pm Thu 29 Aug 13

fratsomrover says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.
I think you are almost right on this one, SMF!
Ballantrrae was inviting suggestions the other night on what players were needed and my view was, and remains, that we only need one acquisition - all resources available into a striker Resources spread over three new players seems to be the popular request but why do we need a centre back when we have Greer, Upson, EL Abd and Dunk? Midfield is hardly bereft of decent players either
I think this is a very strong squad but an additional quality striker is surely paramount ahead of the return of CMS (and Hoskins) . I will stick my neck out and say that Oscar will secure a striker, who has some pace and is 'nimble' before the window closes.
I agree with both of you that another striker is paramount all the time CMS & Hoskins are out. Trouble is, I cant see any new signing playing instead of Buckley or Ulloa, so getting someone in to sit on the bench wont be easy. I guess he wont sell Barnes until he gets someone else, so I wouldn't be surprised if AB stays unless we receive a ridiculous offer for him. Then I'd take the cash and work on Barker/Dickenson as being back-up forwards.
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.[/p][/quote]I think you are almost right on this one, SMF! Ballantrrae was inviting suggestions the other night on what players were needed and my view was, and remains, that we only need one acquisition - all resources available into a striker Resources spread over three new players seems to be the popular request but why do we need a centre back when we have Greer, Upson, EL Abd and Dunk? Midfield is hardly bereft of decent players either I think this is a very strong squad but an additional quality striker is surely paramount ahead of the return of CMS (and Hoskins) . I will stick my neck out and say that Oscar will secure a striker, who has some pace and is 'nimble' before the window closes.[/p][/quote]I agree with both of you that another striker is paramount all the time CMS & Hoskins are out. Trouble is, I cant see any new signing playing instead of Buckley or Ulloa, so getting someone in to sit on the bench wont be easy. I guess he wont sell Barnes until he gets someone else, so I wouldn't be surprised if AB stays unless we receive a ridiculous offer for him. Then I'd take the cash and work on Barker/Dickenson as being back-up forwards. fratsomrover
  • Score: 1

7:02pm Thu 29 Aug 13

SMF20 says...

ballantrrae wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.
I think you are almost right on this one, SMF!
Ballantrrae was inviting suggestions the other night on what players were needed and my view was, and remains, that we only need one acquisition - all resources available into a striker Resources spread over three new players seems to be the popular request but why do we need a centre back when we have Greer, Upson, EL Abd and Dunk? Midfield is hardly bereft of decent players either
I think this is a very strong squad but an additional quality striker is surely paramount ahead of the return of CMS (and Hoskins) . I will stick my neck out and say that Oscar will secure a striker, who has some pace and is 'nimble' before the window closes.
Wiseman of Hove, the Argus reported a couple of weeks ago that Oscar was wanting to bring in another CB and another Midfielder. Surprisingly in the same report they said a striker was some way down the priority list.
Your point about having 4 CBs is well made and I can only imagine that Oscar would like to get a defender in with some pace, someone who can move forward from defence as Lawrenson did over 30 years ago. I think most posters and I include myself feel that we need another striker - we do look vulnerable if Ulloa is injured.
The one position I think we haven't really got covered is an attacking midfielder like Vicente (but not Vicente great player that he is when fit !). Andrews and Agustien are better players IMO than Dicker and Harley and even the underrated Hammond but at the moment I don't see them fulfilling the 'point of the diamond' role that Vicente and Elliot Bennett could. Furthermore with Orlandi having apparently suffered a set back in his recovery from injury we haven't really got anyone who is available to provide that same attacking creative/goalscoring edge that the 3 of them (Vicente, Bennett and Orlandi) are capable.
Whilst I believe we have a better all round squad than last year I think we are a couple of players 'light' in having sufficient depth and ability to make a sustained push for promotion. All the players currently out with injuries underlines this point.
Let's hope that B and B are not complacent and provide the support that will enable Oscar to sign those extra players (either outright or on loan) that only two weeks ago he was saying were needed.
Let's also hope that the team stay focused and collect all 3 points against Millwall who I always feel are tough opponents.
I think you're all pretty spot on guys.

It does seem strange that a striker wasn't mentioned as a priority the other week.
Don't get me wrong.. If all of the 4 first team strikers were fit and available, I'd be more than happy but given that 3 are currently on the sidelines just goes to show that 4 is not really enough.

I also think that Ballantrrae is right about a player needed for that top end of the diamond position that can find killer pass etc. with Orlandi on the sidelines too, it leaves us looking a little threadbare.
I saw a rumour for young Nicky Adams last week.... He would be a great signing... Wouldn't break the bank coming from Crawley and is a young lad with a good future.
I saw him in our pre season friendly against them and commented after the match that I thought he was the best midfielder on the park.

Anyway... I have no say and am here to trust those that do.

Looking forward to Millwall.

Uta
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.[/p][/quote]I think you are almost right on this one, SMF! Ballantrrae was inviting suggestions the other night on what players were needed and my view was, and remains, that we only need one acquisition - all resources available into a striker Resources spread over three new players seems to be the popular request but why do we need a centre back when we have Greer, Upson, EL Abd and Dunk? Midfield is hardly bereft of decent players either I think this is a very strong squad but an additional quality striker is surely paramount ahead of the return of CMS (and Hoskins) . I will stick my neck out and say that Oscar will secure a striker, who has some pace and is 'nimble' before the window closes.[/p][/quote]Wiseman of Hove, the Argus reported a couple of weeks ago that Oscar was wanting to bring in another CB and another Midfielder. Surprisingly in the same report they said a striker was some way down the priority list. Your point about having 4 CBs is well made and I can only imagine that Oscar would like to get a defender in with some pace, someone who can move forward from defence as Lawrenson did over 30 years ago. I think most posters and I include myself feel that we need another striker - we do look vulnerable if Ulloa is injured. The one position I think we haven't really got covered is an attacking midfielder like Vicente (but not Vicente great player that he is when fit !). Andrews and Agustien are better players IMO than Dicker and Harley and even the underrated Hammond but at the moment I don't see them fulfilling the 'point of the diamond' role that Vicente and Elliot Bennett could. Furthermore with Orlandi having apparently suffered a set back in his recovery from injury we haven't really got anyone who is available to provide that same attacking creative/goalscoring edge that the 3 of them (Vicente, Bennett and Orlandi) are capable. Whilst I believe we have a better all round squad than last year I think we are a couple of players 'light' in having sufficient depth and ability to make a sustained push for promotion. All the players currently out with injuries underlines this point. Let's hope that B and B are not complacent and provide the support that will enable Oscar to sign those extra players (either outright or on loan) that only two weeks ago he was saying were needed. Let's also hope that the team stay focused and collect all 3 points against Millwall who I always feel are tough opponents.[/p][/quote]I think you're all pretty spot on guys. It does seem strange that a striker wasn't mentioned as a priority the other week. Don't get me wrong.. If all of the 4 first team strikers were fit and available, I'd be more than happy but given that 3 are currently on the sidelines just goes to show that 4 is not really enough. I also think that Ballantrrae is right about a player needed for that top end of the diamond position that can find killer pass etc. with Orlandi on the sidelines too, it leaves us looking a little threadbare. I saw a rumour for young Nicky Adams last week.... He would be a great signing... Wouldn't break the bank coming from Crawley and is a young lad with a good future. I saw him in our pre season friendly against them and commented after the match that I thought he was the best midfielder on the park. Anyway... I have no say and am here to trust those that do. Looking forward to Millwall. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 6

7:16pm Thu 29 Aug 13

wiseman of hove says...

ballantrrae wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.
I think you are almost right on this one, SMF!
Ballantrrae was inviting suggestions the other night on what players were needed and my view was, and remains, that we only need one acquisition - all resources available into a striker Resources spread over three new players seems to be the popular request but why do we need a centre back when we have Greer, Upson, EL Abd and Dunk? Midfield is hardly bereft of decent players either
I think this is a very strong squad but an additional quality striker is surely paramount ahead of the return of CMS (and Hoskins) . I will stick my neck out and say that Oscar will secure a striker, who has some pace and is 'nimble' before the window closes.
Wiseman of Hove, the Argus reported a couple of weeks ago that Oscar was wanting to bring in another CB and another Midfielder. Surprisingly in the same report they said a striker was some way down the priority list.
Your point about having 4 CBs is well made and I can only imagine that Oscar would like to get a defender in with some pace, someone who can move forward from defence as Lawrenson did over 30 years ago. I think most posters and I include myself feel that we need another striker - we do look vulnerable if Ulloa is injured.
The one position I think we haven't really got covered is an attacking midfielder like Vicente (but not Vicente great player that he is when fit !). Andrews and Agustien are better players IMO than Dicker and Harley and even the underrated Hammond but at the moment I don't see them fulfilling the 'point of the diamond' role that Vicente and Elliot Bennett could. Furthermore with Orlandi having apparently suffered a set back in his recovery from injury we haven't really got anyone who is available to provide that same attacking creative/goalscoring edge that the 3 of them (Vicente, Bennett and Orlandi) are capable.
Whilst I believe we have a better all round squad than last year I think we are a couple of players 'light' in having sufficient depth and ability to make a sustained push for promotion. All the players currently out with injuries underlines this point.
Let's hope that B and B are not complacent and provide the support that will enable Oscar to sign those extra players (either outright or on loan) that only two weeks ago he was saying were needed.
Let's also hope that the team stay focused and collect all 3 points against Millwall who I always feel are tough opponents.
The Orlandi injury certainly worries me and that might make a midfield addition desirable. Will March and Forster-Caskey step up to the plate before too long? I'm not yet convinced about the latter but fingers crossed. Notwithstanding Oscar's apparent comments, I think a striker will arrive. Does Oscar sign a centre back to immediately displace Greer or Upson. Unlikely with their current partnership so a patient understudy has to wait with El Abd.
If Oscar is indeed going to sign 2 or 3 players, then that surely signals a couple of departures by loan or transfer.
As for Lawrenson, quite simply the finest player I have ever seen wear the Albion shirt.
I think it ill be three wins in a row come Saturday evening.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I'm probably miles off here but does anyone else get the feeling that OG and the management team are content with what we've got for this season.[/p][/quote]I think you are almost right on this one, SMF! Ballantrrae was inviting suggestions the other night on what players were needed and my view was, and remains, that we only need one acquisition - all resources available into a striker Resources spread over three new players seems to be the popular request but why do we need a centre back when we have Greer, Upson, EL Abd and Dunk? Midfield is hardly bereft of decent players either I think this is a very strong squad but an additional quality striker is surely paramount ahead of the return of CMS (and Hoskins) . I will stick my neck out and say that Oscar will secure a striker, who has some pace and is 'nimble' before the window closes.[/p][/quote]Wiseman of Hove, the Argus reported a couple of weeks ago that Oscar was wanting to bring in another CB and another Midfielder. Surprisingly in the same report they said a striker was some way down the priority list. Your point about having 4 CBs is well made and I can only imagine that Oscar would like to get a defender in with some pace, someone who can move forward from defence as Lawrenson did over 30 years ago. I think most posters and I include myself feel that we need another striker - we do look vulnerable if Ulloa is injured. The one position I think we haven't really got covered is an attacking midfielder like Vicente (but not Vicente great player that he is when fit !). Andrews and Agustien are better players IMO than Dicker and Harley and even the underrated Hammond but at the moment I don't see them fulfilling the 'point of the diamond' role that Vicente and Elliot Bennett could. Furthermore with Orlandi having apparently suffered a set back in his recovery from injury we haven't really got anyone who is available to provide that same attacking creative/goalscoring edge that the 3 of them (Vicente, Bennett and Orlandi) are capable. Whilst I believe we have a better all round squad than last year I think we are a couple of players 'light' in having sufficient depth and ability to make a sustained push for promotion. All the players currently out with injuries underlines this point. Let's hope that B and B are not complacent and provide the support that will enable Oscar to sign those extra players (either outright or on loan) that only two weeks ago he was saying were needed. Let's also hope that the team stay focused and collect all 3 points against Millwall who I always feel are tough opponents.[/p][/quote]The Orlandi injury certainly worries me and that might make a midfield addition desirable. Will March and Forster-Caskey step up to the plate before too long? I'm not yet convinced about the latter but fingers crossed. Notwithstanding Oscar's apparent comments, I think a striker will arrive. Does Oscar sign a centre back to immediately displace Greer or Upson. Unlikely with their current partnership so a patient understudy has to wait with El Abd. If Oscar is indeed going to sign 2 or 3 players, then that surely signals a couple of departures by loan or transfer. As for Lawrenson, quite simply the finest player I have ever seen wear the Albion shirt. I think it ill be three wins in a row come Saturday evening. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 3

7:18pm Thu 29 Aug 13

VegasSeagull says...

Our new striker, if there is to be one, might not come until the window is firmly closed, this move could be during the loan window.
Someone else commented on here that we might have to wait until all the prem clubs get their deals completed before we know just who is available for loan, this thought could be bang on the money.

If some of us thought that 500k was not enough for Barnes, then I would guess that the same people would think that we could not buy a decent striker for that amount. I don't know what a decent striker would cost in this market, it's very different from years past. Do we have a million to spend, do we need to spend 1.5 million, who knows, but if that is the kind of figure we have to find then maybe we will, 'have,' to look to the loan market.
The biggest impact that Oscar has had, with regard to the squad, is in the midfield, when looking thru the players names very little is different from last year. One obvious change is the fact that the DS lads appear to have filled the back up roles, but the starting eleven has only changed a little, just two players really, Andrews and Kemy.

IMHO the club seems to be relying on the change in style Oscar is bringing to the squad rather than writing cheques for new players, something Poyet liked to do. Whether or not this plan works out only time will tell but if the club is looking to Oscar to work with what we have, then maybe a striker won't arrive, that would seem to fit into what Oscar has already done. Ulloa, a fit again CMS and Barnes, two DS lads added to the equation and that's it. Of course this begs the question, if Ulloa were to be injured, could CMS or Barnes fill his role. I think it's possible one of them could but the game plan would have to change slightly. Both CMS and Barnes tend to score more with their feet than their head.

I wonder how many thiumbs down this posting will get, it's got to be at least a dozen, and they actually read it, maybe even more.
Our new striker, if there is to be one, might not come until the window is firmly closed, this move could be during the loan window. Someone else commented on here that we might have to wait until all the prem clubs get their deals completed before we know just who is available for loan, this thought could be bang on the money. If some of us thought that 500k was not enough for Barnes, then I would guess that the same people would think that we could not buy a decent striker for that amount. I don't know what a decent striker would cost in this market, it's very different from years past. Do we have a million to spend, do we need to spend 1.5 million, who knows, but if that is the kind of figure we have to find then maybe we will, 'have,' to look to the loan market. The biggest impact that Oscar has had, with regard to the squad, is in the midfield, when looking thru the players names very little is different from last year. One obvious change is the fact that the DS lads appear to have filled the back up roles, but the starting eleven has only changed a little, just two players really, Andrews and Kemy. IMHO the club seems to be relying on the change in style Oscar is bringing to the squad rather than writing cheques for new players, something Poyet liked to do. Whether or not this plan works out only time will tell but if the club is looking to Oscar to work with what we have, then maybe a striker won't arrive, that would seem to fit into what Oscar has already done. Ulloa, a fit again CMS and Barnes, two DS lads added to the equation and that's it. Of course this begs the question, if Ulloa were to be injured, could CMS or Barnes fill his role. I think it's possible one of them could but the game plan would have to change slightly. Both CMS and Barnes tend to score more with their feet than their head. I wonder how many thiumbs down this posting will get, it's got to be at least a dozen, and they actually read it, maybe even more. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 11

7:23pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Lawro was God says...

Unless he has turned over a new leaf Barnes remains a liability over a full season because of his tendency to get booked and sent off, depriving us of his services at vital times. For me the striker addition is crucial and Billy Sharp would be my choice. CMS should be back in a few weeks but Hoskins looks to be out for some considerable time yet.
Unless he has turned over a new leaf Barnes remains a liability over a full season because of his tendency to get booked and sent off, depriving us of his services at vital times. For me the striker addition is crucial and Billy Sharp would be my choice. CMS should be back in a few weeks but Hoskins looks to be out for some considerable time yet. Lawro was God
  • Score: -3

7:25pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Graham Grummit says...

Well I think Barnes is a great player. The reason he gets frustrated is because Gus always played him out of position and he still ended up top scorer. Ulloa would get frustrated if he was always played in midfield or on the wing as well. I bet if Burnley or another team sign Barnes they will play him up front where he will score loads of goals. Play him as striker!
Well I think Barnes is a great player. The reason he gets frustrated is because Gus always played him out of position and he still ended up top scorer. Ulloa would get frustrated if he was always played in midfield or on the wing as well. I bet if Burnley or another team sign Barnes they will play him up front where he will score loads of goals. Play him as striker! Graham Grummit
  • Score: 1

7:30pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Alfie T says...

Lawro was God wrote:
Unless he has turned over a new leaf Barnes remains a liability over a full season because of his tendency to get booked and sent off, depriving us of his services at vital times. For me the striker addition is crucial and Billy Sharp would be my choice. CMS should be back in a few weeks but Hoskins looks to be out for some considerable time yet.
Agreed, Sheffield Wednesday away for instance, if he matures and cuts out the tantrums then I have no problem with him, decent player, could be very good.
[quote][p][bold]Lawro was God[/bold] wrote: Unless he has turned over a new leaf Barnes remains a liability over a full season because of his tendency to get booked and sent off, depriving us of his services at vital times. For me the striker addition is crucial and Billy Sharp would be my choice. CMS should be back in a few weeks but Hoskins looks to be out for some considerable time yet.[/p][/quote]Agreed, Sheffield Wednesday away for instance, if he matures and cuts out the tantrums then I have no problem with him, decent player, could be very good. Alfie T
  • Score: 2

7:41pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Gazza by the sea says...

Doh!
Doh! Gazza by the sea
  • Score: 2

7:50pm Thu 29 Aug 13

WiseOldSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Our new striker, if there is to be one, might not come until the window is firmly closed, this move could be during the loan window.
Someone else commented on here that we might have to wait until all the prem clubs get their deals completed before we know just who is available for loan, this thought could be bang on the money.

If some of us thought that 500k was not enough for Barnes, then I would guess that the same people would think that we could not buy a decent striker for that amount. I don't know what a decent striker would cost in this market, it's very different from years past. Do we have a million to spend, do we need to spend 1.5 million, who knows, but if that is the kind of figure we have to find then maybe we will, 'have,' to look to the loan market.
The biggest impact that Oscar has had, with regard to the squad, is in the midfield, when looking thru the players names very little is different from last year. One obvious change is the fact that the DS lads appear to have filled the back up roles, but the starting eleven has only changed a little, just two players really, Andrews and Kemy.

IMHO the club seems to be relying on the change in style Oscar is bringing to the squad rather than writing cheques for new players, something Poyet liked to do. Whether or not this plan works out only time will tell but if the club is looking to Oscar to work with what we have, then maybe a striker won't arrive, that would seem to fit into what Oscar has already done. Ulloa, a fit again CMS and Barnes, two DS lads added to the equation and that's it. Of course this begs the question, if Ulloa were to be injured, could CMS or Barnes fill his role. I think it's possible one of them could but the game plan would have to change slightly. Both CMS and Barnes tend to score more with their feet than their head.

I wonder how many thiumbs down this posting will get, it's got to be at least a dozen, and they actually read it, maybe even more.
Hi Vegas, Many a good point but I'd like to pick up on the philosophy part of your post. Oscar in my opinion is a part of a much bigger plan which comes under the roadmap for FFP. There is no coincidence that FFP is coming in and the fact that we have a coach proven in developing young talent. It shouldn't be a surprise that we are not spending money but rather testing out the yougsters at this level. This is probably an indication of prudence as a strategy for the coming years. Nothing new as this is what Cloughy was reknowed for at Forest.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Our new striker, if there is to be one, might not come until the window is firmly closed, this move could be during the loan window. Someone else commented on here that we might have to wait until all the prem clubs get their deals completed before we know just who is available for loan, this thought could be bang on the money. If some of us thought that 500k was not enough for Barnes, then I would guess that the same people would think that we could not buy a decent striker for that amount. I don't know what a decent striker would cost in this market, it's very different from years past. Do we have a million to spend, do we need to spend 1.5 million, who knows, but if that is the kind of figure we have to find then maybe we will, 'have,' to look to the loan market. The biggest impact that Oscar has had, with regard to the squad, is in the midfield, when looking thru the players names very little is different from last year. One obvious change is the fact that the DS lads appear to have filled the back up roles, but the starting eleven has only changed a little, just two players really, Andrews and Kemy. IMHO the club seems to be relying on the change in style Oscar is bringing to the squad rather than writing cheques for new players, something Poyet liked to do. Whether or not this plan works out only time will tell but if the club is looking to Oscar to work with what we have, then maybe a striker won't arrive, that would seem to fit into what Oscar has already done. Ulloa, a fit again CMS and Barnes, two DS lads added to the equation and that's it. Of course this begs the question, if Ulloa were to be injured, could CMS or Barnes fill his role. I think it's possible one of them could but the game plan would have to change slightly. Both CMS and Barnes tend to score more with their feet than their head. I wonder how many thiumbs down this posting will get, it's got to be at least a dozen, and they actually read it, maybe even more.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas, Many a good point but I'd like to pick up on the philosophy part of your post. Oscar in my opinion is a part of a much bigger plan which comes under the roadmap for FFP. There is no coincidence that FFP is coming in and the fact that we have a coach proven in developing young talent. It shouldn't be a surprise that we are not spending money but rather testing out the yougsters at this level. This is probably an indication of prudence as a strategy for the coming years. Nothing new as this is what Cloughy was reknowed for at Forest. WiseOldSeagull
  • Score: 8

7:57pm Thu 29 Aug 13

wiseman of hove says...

WiseOldSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Our new striker, if there is to be one, might not come until the window is firmly closed, this move could be during the loan window.
Someone else commented on here that we might have to wait until all the prem clubs get their deals completed before we know just who is available for loan, this thought could be bang on the money.

If some of us thought that 500k was not enough for Barnes, then I would guess that the same people would think that we could not buy a decent striker for that amount. I don't know what a decent striker would cost in this market, it's very different from years past. Do we have a million to spend, do we need to spend 1.5 million, who knows, but if that is the kind of figure we have to find then maybe we will, 'have,' to look to the loan market.
The biggest impact that Oscar has had, with regard to the squad, is in the midfield, when looking thru the players names very little is different from last year. One obvious change is the fact that the DS lads appear to have filled the back up roles, but the starting eleven has only changed a little, just two players really, Andrews and Kemy.

IMHO the club seems to be relying on the change in style Oscar is bringing to the squad rather than writing cheques for new players, something Poyet liked to do. Whether or not this plan works out only time will tell but if the club is looking to Oscar to work with what we have, then maybe a striker won't arrive, that would seem to fit into what Oscar has already done. Ulloa, a fit again CMS and Barnes, two DS lads added to the equation and that's it. Of course this begs the question, if Ulloa were to be injured, could CMS or Barnes fill his role. I think it's possible one of them could but the game plan would have to change slightly. Both CMS and Barnes tend to score more with their feet than their head.

I wonder how many thiumbs down this posting will get, it's got to be at least a dozen, and they actually read it, maybe even more.
Hi Vegas, Many a good point but I'd like to pick up on the philosophy part of your post. Oscar in my opinion is a part of a much bigger plan which comes under the roadmap for FFP. There is no coincidence that FFP is coming in and the fact that we have a coach proven in developing young talent. It shouldn't be a surprise that we are not spending money but rather testing out the yougsters at this level. This is probably an indication of prudence as a strategy for the coming years. Nothing new as this is what Cloughy was reknowed for at Forest.
It's a very good point if I may interject. I also expect Oscar to 'improve' what I term the seasoned players in the squad. We may be seeing signs already. Over to Vegas.
[quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Our new striker, if there is to be one, might not come until the window is firmly closed, this move could be during the loan window. Someone else commented on here that we might have to wait until all the prem clubs get their deals completed before we know just who is available for loan, this thought could be bang on the money. If some of us thought that 500k was not enough for Barnes, then I would guess that the same people would think that we could not buy a decent striker for that amount. I don't know what a decent striker would cost in this market, it's very different from years past. Do we have a million to spend, do we need to spend 1.5 million, who knows, but if that is the kind of figure we have to find then maybe we will, 'have,' to look to the loan market. The biggest impact that Oscar has had, with regard to the squad, is in the midfield, when looking thru the players names very little is different from last year. One obvious change is the fact that the DS lads appear to have filled the back up roles, but the starting eleven has only changed a little, just two players really, Andrews and Kemy. IMHO the club seems to be relying on the change in style Oscar is bringing to the squad rather than writing cheques for new players, something Poyet liked to do. Whether or not this plan works out only time will tell but if the club is looking to Oscar to work with what we have, then maybe a striker won't arrive, that would seem to fit into what Oscar has already done. Ulloa, a fit again CMS and Barnes, two DS lads added to the equation and that's it. Of course this begs the question, if Ulloa were to be injured, could CMS or Barnes fill his role. I think it's possible one of them could but the game plan would have to change slightly. Both CMS and Barnes tend to score more with their feet than their head. I wonder how many thiumbs down this posting will get, it's got to be at least a dozen, and they actually read it, maybe even more.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas, Many a good point but I'd like to pick up on the philosophy part of your post. Oscar in my opinion is a part of a much bigger plan which comes under the roadmap for FFP. There is no coincidence that FFP is coming in and the fact that we have a coach proven in developing young talent. It shouldn't be a surprise that we are not spending money but rather testing out the yougsters at this level. This is probably an indication of prudence as a strategy for the coming years. Nothing new as this is what Cloughy was reknowed for at Forest.[/p][/quote]It's a very good point if I may interject. I also expect Oscar to 'improve' what I term the seasoned players in the squad. We may be seeing signs already. Over to Vegas. wiseman of hove
  • Score: 6

8:10pm Thu 29 Aug 13

To baldly go says...

Graham Grummit wrote:
Well I think Barnes is a great player. The reason he gets frustrated is because Gus always played him out of position and he still ended up top scorer. Ulloa would get frustrated if he was always played in midfield or on the wing as well. I bet if Burnley or another team sign Barnes they will play him up front where he will score loads of goals. Play him as striker!
Barnes is an ok player not a great one, I think you will find he was Gus's darling and was played where he wanted and if I remember correctly CMS was top scorer even though he missed a third of the season through his injury! Barnes, Ulloa and Cms all have different ways of playing, it will be who works best with Ulloa that will get the nod but we still need that 4th striker as back up or as posted by someone earlier the ds lads get a chance.
[quote][p][bold]Graham Grummit[/bold] wrote: Well I think Barnes is a great player. The reason he gets frustrated is because Gus always played him out of position and he still ended up top scorer. Ulloa would get frustrated if he was always played in midfield or on the wing as well. I bet if Burnley or another team sign Barnes they will play him up front where he will score loads of goals. Play him as striker![/p][/quote]Barnes is an ok player not a great one, I think you will find he was Gus's darling and was played where he wanted and if I remember correctly CMS was top scorer even though he missed a third of the season through his injury! Barnes, Ulloa and Cms all have different ways of playing, it will be who works best with Ulloa that will get the nod but we still need that 4th striker as back up or as posted by someone earlier the ds lads get a chance. To baldly go
  • Score: 7

8:30pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Alan Duffy says...

I thought Orlandi was supposed to be nearly fit?
I thought Orlandi was supposed to be nearly fit? Alan Duffy
  • Score: 0

8:32pm Thu 29 Aug 13

mark by the sea says...

Lots of good points made about Barnes and the squad, I think we will win on saturday, however the next 3-4 games will shape our season,
Do i think Barnes is a shoe in for ulloa if a injury happened, remember Hoskins and cms, both out for 6 months, I honestly think hoping we don't lose leo to a injury is a risky choice.
The fair play rules have to be balanced with a chase for promotion or season tickets sales will suffer.
Great to read ideas without silly comments from a few!
Lots of good points made about Barnes and the squad, I think we will win on saturday, however the next 3-4 games will shape our season, Do i think Barnes is a shoe in for ulloa if a injury happened, remember Hoskins and cms, both out for 6 months, I honestly think hoping we don't lose leo to a injury is a risky choice. The fair play rules have to be balanced with a chase for promotion or season tickets sales will suffer. Great to read ideas without silly comments from a few! mark by the sea
  • Score: 9

8:44pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Conelli98 says...

...good healthy chat and debate tonight boys and girls...keep it coming! Where are the people that live under bridges?
IMO but I hope Im wrong Will Hoskins will struggle to play any part this season, so this leaves Barnes and CMS to battle it out for a starting place alongside Ulloa. Who would you want to partner him? Barnes or CMS, LETS HAVE A VOTE, for me BARNES
...good healthy chat and debate tonight boys and girls...keep it coming! Where are the people that live under bridges? IMO but I hope Im wrong Will Hoskins will struggle to play any part this season, so this leaves Barnes and CMS to battle it out for a starting place alongside Ulloa. Who would you want to partner him? Barnes or CMS, LETS HAVE A VOTE, for me BARNES Conelli98
  • Score: -11

9:13pm Thu 29 Aug 13

VegasSeagull says...

wiseman of hove wrote:
WiseOldSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Our new striker, if there is to be one, might not come until the window is firmly closed, this move could be during the loan window.
Someone else commented on here that we might have to wait until all the prem clubs get their deals completed before we know just who is available for loan, this thought could be bang on the money.

If some of us thought that 500k was not enough for Barnes, then I would guess that the same people would think that we could not buy a decent striker for that amount. I don't know what a decent striker would cost in this market, it's very different from years past. Do we have a million to spend, do we need to spend 1.5 million, who knows, but if that is the kind of figure we have to find then maybe we will, 'have,' to look to the loan market.
The biggest impact that Oscar has had, with regard to the squad, is in the midfield, when looking thru the players names very little is different from last year. One obvious change is the fact that the DS lads appear to have filled the back up roles, but the starting eleven has only changed a little, just two players really, Andrews and Kemy.

IMHO the club seems to be relying on the change in style Oscar is bringing to the squad rather than writing cheques for new players, something Poyet liked to do. Whether or not this plan works out only time will tell but if the club is looking to Oscar to work with what we have, then maybe a striker won't arrive, that would seem to fit into what Oscar has already done. Ulloa, a fit again CMS and Barnes, two DS lads added to the equation and that's it. Of course this begs the question, if Ulloa were to be injured, could CMS or Barnes fill his role. I think it's possible one of them could but the game plan would have to change slightly. Both CMS and Barnes tend to score more with their feet than their head.

I wonder how many thiumbs down this posting will get, it's got to be at least a dozen, and they actually read it, maybe even more.
Hi Vegas, Many a good point but I'd like to pick up on the philosophy part of your post. Oscar in my opinion is a part of a much bigger plan which comes under the roadmap for FFP. There is no coincidence that FFP is coming in and the fact that we have a coach proven in developing young talent. It shouldn't be a surprise that we are not spending money but rather testing out the yougsters at this level. This is probably an indication of prudence as a strategy for the coming years. Nothing new as this is what Cloughy was reknowed for at Forest.
It's a very good point if I may interject. I also expect Oscar to 'improve' what I term the seasoned players in the squad. We may be seeing signs already. Over to Vegas.
I would agree with what both of you have stated. Not for nothing is all that money being spent on our new facility, Oscar could be pivitol in ensuring that a return on investment is forthcoming. I believe Oscar can and will improve some, if not most of the senior players, or at least give them a chance to deliver due to the change in style of play. I don't know that we can claim that Crofts is a better player today than he was last season, but we can claim that the new style is allowing him to be more successful.
[quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Our new striker, if there is to be one, might not come until the window is firmly closed, this move could be during the loan window. Someone else commented on here that we might have to wait until all the prem clubs get their deals completed before we know just who is available for loan, this thought could be bang on the money. If some of us thought that 500k was not enough for Barnes, then I would guess that the same people would think that we could not buy a decent striker for that amount. I don't know what a decent striker would cost in this market, it's very different from years past. Do we have a million to spend, do we need to spend 1.5 million, who knows, but if that is the kind of figure we have to find then maybe we will, 'have,' to look to the loan market. The biggest impact that Oscar has had, with regard to the squad, is in the midfield, when looking thru the players names very little is different from last year. One obvious change is the fact that the DS lads appear to have filled the back up roles, but the starting eleven has only changed a little, just two players really, Andrews and Kemy. IMHO the club seems to be relying on the change in style Oscar is bringing to the squad rather than writing cheques for new players, something Poyet liked to do. Whether or not this plan works out only time will tell but if the club is looking to Oscar to work with what we have, then maybe a striker won't arrive, that would seem to fit into what Oscar has already done. Ulloa, a fit again CMS and Barnes, two DS lads added to the equation and that's it. Of course this begs the question, if Ulloa were to be injured, could CMS or Barnes fill his role. I think it's possible one of them could but the game plan would have to change slightly. Both CMS and Barnes tend to score more with their feet than their head. I wonder how many thiumbs down this posting will get, it's got to be at least a dozen, and they actually read it, maybe even more.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas, Many a good point but I'd like to pick up on the philosophy part of your post. Oscar in my opinion is a part of a much bigger plan which comes under the roadmap for FFP. There is no coincidence that FFP is coming in and the fact that we have a coach proven in developing young talent. It shouldn't be a surprise that we are not spending money but rather testing out the yougsters at this level. This is probably an indication of prudence as a strategy for the coming years. Nothing new as this is what Cloughy was reknowed for at Forest.[/p][/quote]It's a very good point if I may interject. I also expect Oscar to 'improve' what I term the seasoned players in the squad. We may be seeing signs already. Over to Vegas.[/p][/quote]I would agree with what both of you have stated. Not for nothing is all that money being spent on our new facility, Oscar could be pivitol in ensuring that a return on investment is forthcoming. I believe Oscar can and will improve some, if not most of the senior players, or at least give them a chance to deliver due to the change in style of play. I don't know that we can claim that Crofts is a better player today than he was last season, but we can claim that the new style is allowing him to be more successful. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

9:20pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Hovite says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
wiseman of hove wrote:
WiseOldSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Our new striker, if there is to be one, might not come until the window is firmly closed, this move could be during the loan window.
Someone else commented on here that we might have to wait until all the prem clubs get their deals completed before we know just who is available for loan, this thought could be bang on the money.

If some of us thought that 500k was not enough for Barnes, then I would guess that the same people would think that we could not buy a decent striker for that amount. I don't know what a decent striker would cost in this market, it's very different from years past. Do we have a million to spend, do we need to spend 1.5 million, who knows, but if that is the kind of figure we have to find then maybe we will, 'have,' to look to the loan market.
The biggest impact that Oscar has had, with regard to the squad, is in the midfield, when looking thru the players names very little is different from last year. One obvious change is the fact that the DS lads appear to have filled the back up roles, but the starting eleven has only changed a little, just two players really, Andrews and Kemy.

IMHO the club seems to be relying on the change in style Oscar is bringing to the squad rather than writing cheques for new players, something Poyet liked to do. Whether or not this plan works out only time will tell but if the club is looking to Oscar to work with what we have, then maybe a striker won't arrive, that would seem to fit into what Oscar has already done. Ulloa, a fit again CMS and Barnes, two DS lads added to the equation and that's it. Of course this begs the question, if Ulloa were to be injured, could CMS or Barnes fill his role. I think it's possible one of them could but the game plan would have to change slightly. Both CMS and Barnes tend to score more with their feet than their head.

I wonder how many thiumbs down this posting will get, it's got to be at least a dozen, and they actually read it, maybe even more.
Hi Vegas, Many a good point but I'd like to pick up on the philosophy part of your post. Oscar in my opinion is a part of a much bigger plan which comes under the roadmap for FFP. There is no coincidence that FFP is coming in and the fact that we have a coach proven in developing young talent. It shouldn't be a surprise that we are not spending money but rather testing out the yougsters at this level. This is probably an indication of prudence as a strategy for the coming years. Nothing new as this is what Cloughy was reknowed for at Forest.
It's a very good point if I may interject. I also expect Oscar to 'improve' what I term the seasoned players in the squad. We may be seeing signs already. Over to Vegas.
I would agree with what both of you have stated. Not for nothing is all that money being spent on our new facility, Oscar could be pivitol in ensuring that a return on investment is forthcoming. I believe Oscar can and will improve some, if not most of the senior players, or at least give them a chance to deliver due to the change in style of play. I don't know that we can claim that Crofts is a better player today than he was last season, but we can claim that the new style is allowing him to be more successful.
Agree totally and completely with all this. Good job chaps.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wiseman of hove[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WiseOldSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Our new striker, if there is to be one, might not come until the window is firmly closed, this move could be during the loan window. Someone else commented on here that we might have to wait until all the prem clubs get their deals completed before we know just who is available for loan, this thought could be bang on the money. If some of us thought that 500k was not enough for Barnes, then I would guess that the same people would think that we could not buy a decent striker for that amount. I don't know what a decent striker would cost in this market, it's very different from years past. Do we have a million to spend, do we need to spend 1.5 million, who knows, but if that is the kind of figure we have to find then maybe we will, 'have,' to look to the loan market. The biggest impact that Oscar has had, with regard to the squad, is in the midfield, when looking thru the players names very little is different from last year. One obvious change is the fact that the DS lads appear to have filled the back up roles, but the starting eleven has only changed a little, just two players really, Andrews and Kemy. IMHO the club seems to be relying on the change in style Oscar is bringing to the squad rather than writing cheques for new players, something Poyet liked to do. Whether or not this plan works out only time will tell but if the club is looking to Oscar to work with what we have, then maybe a striker won't arrive, that would seem to fit into what Oscar has already done. Ulloa, a fit again CMS and Barnes, two DS lads added to the equation and that's it. Of course this begs the question, if Ulloa were to be injured, could CMS or Barnes fill his role. I think it's possible one of them could but the game plan would have to change slightly. Both CMS and Barnes tend to score more with their feet than their head. I wonder how many thiumbs down this posting will get, it's got to be at least a dozen, and they actually read it, maybe even more.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas, Many a good point but I'd like to pick up on the philosophy part of your post. Oscar in my opinion is a part of a much bigger plan which comes under the roadmap for FFP. There is no coincidence that FFP is coming in and the fact that we have a coach proven in developing young talent. It shouldn't be a surprise that we are not spending money but rather testing out the yougsters at this level. This is probably an indication of prudence as a strategy for the coming years. Nothing new as this is what Cloughy was reknowed for at Forest.[/p][/quote]It's a very good point if I may interject. I also expect Oscar to 'improve' what I term the seasoned players in the squad. We may be seeing signs already. Over to Vegas.[/p][/quote]I would agree with what both of you have stated. Not for nothing is all that money being spent on our new facility, Oscar could be pivitol in ensuring that a return on investment is forthcoming. I believe Oscar can and will improve some, if not most of the senior players, or at least give them a chance to deliver due to the change in style of play. I don't know that we can claim that Crofts is a better player today than he was last season, but we can claim that the new style is allowing him to be more successful.[/p][/quote]Agree totally and completely with all this. Good job chaps. Hovite
  • Score: -5

9:26pm Thu 29 Aug 13

cybergu11y says...

Ashley Barnes, Albion Legend, enough said!!!!
Ashley Barnes, Albion Legend, enough said!!!! cybergu11y
  • Score: -6

9:52pm Thu 29 Aug 13

Bucket feet Duffy says...

this is club spin to say we are done unless someone else comes in for Barnes or whoever, I believe the loan option still remains open, IMO the club would be happy to let Barnes go so that they can get someone else in for the wages possibly already lined up in principle, agents are not daft they can see the big picture too, they have to survive two or three generations of players so unless they are at the top they need continuity to see them through
this is club spin to say we are done unless someone else comes in for Barnes or whoever, I believe the loan option still remains open, IMO the club would be happy to let Barnes go so that they can get someone else in for the wages possibly already lined up in principle, agents are not daft they can see the big picture too, they have to survive two or three generations of players so unless they are at the top they need continuity to see them through Bucket feet Duffy
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10:08pm Thu 29 Aug 13

VegasSeagull says...

I think for a young player there is something very special between the lad, and the manager/coah, that brought him on. Over the next couple of seasons several of our younger lads will be guided by Oscar, it is he that will shape them into first eleven players, loyalty to Oscar will develope. That loyalty is what will keep those young lads in the stripes, at least for a couple years. Brighton will reap the rewards on the pitch and then the financial rewards when they move on, that is the way forward forward to the big time.
If Oscar can take an eighteen year old, make him a contender when aged twenty, play him until he is twenty two and then see him the subject of interest by prem clubs, the road map for Brighton will be simple.
Pomotion is going to cost and staying promoted will cost a whole lot more, only by having a regular supply of home grown talent will we be able to compete, but this is Oscar's forte. Some will say that if we get promoted we shouldn't sell our young stars, but how can you turn down a 12 million offer from United, Palace couldn't when it came to Zaha.
Players such as Barker and Dickerson are probabaly worth no more than 50k a piece, if either one of them had a decent season this year, that figure would quadruple. Oscar will have to find ways of giving them playing time and they must take their chance, if they stay in the DS, never seeing the senior matches their value will remain stagnent. My pick for this year, in terms of a player whose value will soar, Ince, the DS player most likely to see a decent amount of match time and a player who is already showing promise.
I think for a young player there is something very special between the lad, and the manager/coah, that brought him on. Over the next couple of seasons several of our younger lads will be guided by Oscar, it is he that will shape them into first eleven players, loyalty to Oscar will develope. That loyalty is what will keep those young lads in the stripes, at least for a couple years. Brighton will reap the rewards on the pitch and then the financial rewards when they move on, that is the way forward forward to the big time. If Oscar can take an eighteen year old, make him a contender when aged twenty, play him until he is twenty two and then see him the subject of interest by prem clubs, the road map for Brighton will be simple. Pomotion is going to cost and staying promoted will cost a whole lot more, only by having a regular supply of home grown talent will we be able to compete, but this is Oscar's forte. Some will say that if we get promoted we shouldn't sell our young stars, but how can you turn down a 12 million offer from United, Palace couldn't when it came to Zaha. Players such as Barker and Dickerson are probabaly worth no more than 50k a piece, if either one of them had a decent season this year, that figure would quadruple. Oscar will have to find ways of giving them playing time and they must take their chance, if they stay in the DS, never seeing the senior matches their value will remain stagnent. My pick for this year, in terms of a player whose value will soar, Ince, the DS player most likely to see a decent amount of match time and a player who is already showing promise. VegasSeagull
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9:01am Fri 30 Aug 13

tug509 says...

First dyche insults us after we beat them fair and square,then he insults us with a derisory offer for Barnes,i wouldn`t like that blokes nerve in my tooth!. UTA
First dyche insults us after we beat them fair and square,then he insults us with a derisory offer for Barnes,i wouldn`t like that blokes nerve in my tooth!. UTA tug509
  • Score: 1

1:57pm Fri 30 Aug 13

tooncgull says...

Chi Gull wrote:
I never have understood why some dislike Barnes so much. He scores goals and gets into goalscoring positions and for the last two seasons has played more as a midfielder than an out and out striker. He holds the ball up well and I think has got stronger on the ball in the last 12 months. His record compares favourably with CMS (since CMS joined us) other than his disciplinary record. He also gives 100% which usually endears a player to fans and is versatile. He is never going to be a world beater, but I think he is a good Championship player.
I agree with this entirely!
[quote][p][bold]Chi Gull[/bold] wrote: I never have understood why some dislike Barnes so much. He scores goals and gets into goalscoring positions and for the last two seasons has played more as a midfielder than an out and out striker. He holds the ball up well and I think has got stronger on the ball in the last 12 months. His record compares favourably with CMS (since CMS joined us) other than his disciplinary record. He also gives 100% which usually endears a player to fans and is versatile. He is never going to be a world beater, but I think he is a good Championship player.[/p][/quote]I agree with this entirely! tooncgull
  • Score: 0

4:42pm Fri 30 Aug 13

Hovite says...

cybergu11y wrote:
Ashley Barnes, Albion Legend, enough said!!!!
In the making ;o)
[quote][p][bold]cybergu11y[/bold] wrote: Ashley Barnes, Albion Legend, enough said!!!![/p][/quote]In the making ;o) Hovite
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7:27pm Fri 30 Aug 13

everagull says...

Don't think we are looking at any more coming in. Only a possible lone or two.Do we know when C M S is due back.
Don't think we are looking at any more coming in. Only a possible lone or two.Do we know when C M S is due back. everagull
  • Score: 1

7:29pm Fri 30 Aug 13

everagull says...

Agree with that.
Agree with that. everagull
  • Score: 1

8:02am Sat 31 Aug 13

Hoarder12345444 says...

Ha, We smashed them last week, like they have a chance.
Ha, We smashed them last week, like they have a chance. Hoarder12345444
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