BNP byelection candidate quizzed by police in 2006 (From Croydon Guardian)

scoffer wrote:
Didn't the Conservatives criticise Labour for not invading Iraq more quickly ? then the Labour party lied about weapons of mass destruction ? Mmm... big lies, thousands dead, billions of tax-payers cash spent, corruption, fiddling of expenses, paying failed asylum seekers to go home ? - only to then return ?... and in all todays newspapers an asylum seeker who attacked a woman because he wanted to have English lessons in prison ?? Truely mindboggling from professional politicians!!

NastyMrTom wrote:

scoffer wrote:
Didn't the Conservatives criticise Labour for not invading Iraq more quickly ? then the Labour party lied about weapons of mass destruction ? Mmm... big lies, thousands dead, billions of tax-payers cash spent, corruption, fiddling of expenses, paying failed asylum seekers to go home ? - only to then return ?... and in all todays newspapers an asylum seeker who attacked a woman because he wanted to have English lessons in prison ?? Truely mindboggling from professional politicians!!

he wasn't an asylum seeker .... for someone who has such a keen interest in the subject you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

NastyMrTom wrote:
I'm sure that the lady in question didn't even care what nationality he was ... what's your point here ?

NastyMrTom wrote:
I'm sure that the lady in question didn't even care what nationality he was ... what's your point here ?

scoffer wrote:

NastyMrTom wrote: I'm sure that the lady in question didn't even care what nationality he was ... what's your point here ?

The point is this... failing politicians - namely Nu-Labour Nu-Conservatives are/will allowing criminals into the U.K. - no matter which formula you use... legal criminal or illegal criminal/overstayer/ asylum seeker e.t.c. a chaotic and out of control system is operating - the majority of British people just don't agree with this... but if anyone can post up some info showing British people strongly support the present failing immigration system - it would be useful to see it exsists... over to you.

cr2 wrote:
I detest racism but its getting to the stage that we are been treated like second class citizens in our own country.PEople come in to the country to get NHS Treatment and housing this is not what we fought 2 world wars for and my hospital has poeple just turning up unable to speak english and been rude to staff and helpers we are not a walk in service from the airport.Thank you

Frank McGill wrote:

NastyMrTom wrote: I'm sure that the lady in question didn't even care what nationality he was ... what's your point here ?

If you cannot see the point then you are clearly lacking the intelligence to comprehend simple facts and I would suggest you pop over to the encampments outside Calais with a wallet full of money. You will understand soon enough.

NastyMrTom wrote:

Frank McGill wrote:

NastyMrTom wrote: I'm sure that the lady in question didn't even care what nationality he was ... what's your point here ?

If you cannot see the point then you are clearly lacking the intelligence to comprehend simple facts and I would suggest you pop over to the encampments outside Calais with a wallet full of money. You will understand soon enough.

Frank as I can see your name attached to a few posts on various news services promoting BNP rhetoric I'll assume you're here to support the BNP. As a floating voter in this ward I would say that suggesting I lack intelligence probably isn't the best way to win my vote. With the little intelligence I have at my disposal let me explain that the process of entering this country as citizen of a member state of the European Economic Area and applying for asylum protection under the 1951 Geneva Convention are entirely different. As a Romanian citizen this man would not have had to complete the same checks as an asylum applicant , indeed he could and did commit crimes in this country and still not be repatriated if it was considered he wasn't highly likely to re-offend or present a sufficiently serious threat. An asylum seeker on the other hand has to lodge their passport , fingerprints , photograph and other travel documents with the UK Border Agency and await review by the screening unit. Therefore an asylum seeker doesn't have the same freedoms when entering this country as the gentleman in question.

Brian Sewer wrote:
I see bob the bore is still sore ha ha

NastyMrTom wrote:

scoffer wrote:

NastyMrTom wrote: I'm sure that the lady in question didn't even care what nationality he was ... what's your point here ?

The point is this... failing politicians - namely Nu-Labour Nu-Conservatives are/will allowing criminals into the U.K. - no matter which formula you use... legal criminal or illegal criminal/overstayer/ asylum seeker e.t.c. a chaotic and out of control system is operating - the majority of British people just don't agree with this... but if anyone can post up some info showing British people strongly support the present failing immigration system - it would be useful to see it exsists... over to you.

How about the rejection of BNP policy. Despite campaigning for over 20yrs you can't raise more than 0.7%of the electoral vote. The people don't support your ideals

Bob Peel wrote:

Brian Sewer wrote: I see bob the bore is still sore ha ha

Sewer by name, Sewer by nature! And stop writing bad things about Croydon in the Argus and all the Sussex locals.

scoffer wrote:

NastyMrTom wrote:

scoffer wrote:

NastyMrTom wrote: I'm sure that the lady in question didn't even care what nationality he was ... what's your point here ?

The point is this... failing politicians - namely Nu-Labour Nu-Conservatives are/will allowing criminals into the U.K. - no matter which formula you use... legal criminal or illegal criminal/overstayer/ asylum seeker e.t.c. a chaotic and out of control system is operating - the majority of British people just don't agree with this... but if anyone can post up some info showing British people strongly support the present failing immigration system - it would be useful to see it exsists... over to you.

How about the rejection of BNP policy. Despite campaigning for over 20yrs you can't raise more than 0.7%of the electoral vote. The people don't support your ideals

Anyone see the local result in Bexley last night ? the Conservatives beat that political party that we shall not mention on here for upsetting the resident depressed poster, by just EIGHT votes!! Of course, when people read their newspapers - like on page two of today's Sun - that, 90% of illegal immigrants stay in the U.K. ...'(10,719 foreigners were refused asylum under Labour's new system last year - but only - 918 were booted out of Britain )' and also that Jack Straw (Lab - Justice Secretary!! LOL!!) has apologised for breaking strict Commonns sleaze laws by failing to register a £3,000 donation - people get fed up with these sleazy politicians... only yesterday Peter Hain (Lab) was also apologising for getting soo confused that he also forgot to mention the £100,000 handouts on the members register designed to stop sleaze and corruption!! So poor olnastytom has yet more egg on her face this morning - the party that we shall not mention beat Labour and the Lib-Dems and only just lost out by eight votes!! Don't forget Bexley was flooded with extremists bussed in on a big red bus!! rofl!! using the same marxist language we've seen on here... 'with my last breath - I'll defeat you' He he very amusing... but ignored!! poor oltom - just a figure of fun on a cold wet morning to cheer us all up!! lmao!!

croyman wrote:
Scoffer, you shouldn't get involved in political debates with your limited knowledge of the subject. Where do the marxist extremists come from? I haven't seen any on here. Maybe you could give us an example of a marxist extremist view?

scoffer wrote:
Can honest, decent, folk just do their talking through the ballot-box and ignore nastyoltom's request for people's thoughts on this issue ?... this is a NEWS FORUM not a forum for extremists like oltom to gather up peoples opinions, log them, track their movements on the internet, find out their names, home/work addresses, telephone numbers, then distribute them all over the internet - just like nastyoltom has done previously on here - therby breaking rules put in place to prevent this kind of extremism - support whoever you wish politically - but remember, we've seen already the nastiness by someone masquerading as an innocent contributor on here... and for anyone just joining us - it was nastymrtom who has broken the rules of this good C.G. forum!! just beware good people!!

Councillor John Oddy wrote:
Anne, This is not about racism, we have racism in all walks of life, even pro-racism. This is about a woman who is standing as a candidate for a legitimate political party, we may not agree with the views of that party or of it’s policies but, by democratic right, we have to abide by the rules and allow candidates their freedom of speech, you may not like what she says but you have to stand by her right to say it. The rest, as they say, is up to the electorate.

Councillor John Oddy wrote:
Croyman, 12 months ago nobody, other than the BNP, dared to mention the flood of immigration into the UK for fear of being branded a “Racist”, now all the political parties, including Labour, are saying it’s out of control. 16% of UK voters now say we should leave the EU with 48% saying the EU should have less control over us. The BNP have always said we should never have joined. These are no longer extremist views, they are mainstream. I agree some of the BNP policies are not only unworkable, they are laughable, but then a lot of BNP policies have been moderated recently. All of the mainstream parties also have impractical policies so the BNP are not unique in that field. Given time I think you will find a lot of the UK electorate will catch on to the BNP’s way of thinking, the BNP will moderate it’s policies and there will be a meeting of the two. I apologise if I have come over as extremist, that is not what I want, I want a fairer system where all are given the same chances and opportunities.

Councillor John Oddy wrote:
Croyman, The main political parties are so wrapped-up in the idea of a “One Europe” that no amount of lobbying will change them. Agreed the history and roots of the BNP lay in the ashes of the NF but over the years the BNP has changed both in it’s approach to politics and in it’s membership. I was a member of the party, North West Wales Organiser, and in my time in office saw an increase not only in the membership but also in the average age of new members. The idea of knuckle dragging skinheads is the perception that Government and left-wing groups would love the people to have. My personal history is one of ex-Army and ex-Prison Officer, I was posted to Brixton for 13 years, I now have a building company and am 52 years of age, hardly the image of the BNP. The average age of my membership was 47, a great many ex-service personnel and professionals were and still are members. The point I am trying to put across is that the BNP has and is continuing to change, there is still a lot more work required but you can only bring about the required changes slowly and securely. Most BNP candidates are local people from within the local communities so they know what problems you face because they face them themselves, most mainstream candidates live in their ivory towers and haven’t got a clue as to what affects people on a daily basis. It’s not about what happened in the past, learn by your mistakes and look to the future.

Councillor John Oddy wrote:
Bob Peel, Actually I’m a Yorkshireman I chose to retire to Wales and have made it my home. Wales still has it’s own Political Party, Plaid Cymru, they are co-leaders of the Welsh Assembly, their history, as you so well point out, is rooted in extremism. It is difficult to prove one’s worth over the internet but I can assure you I am far from a Knuckle dragger, to put the boot on the other foot though, what was your regiment?. Croyman, I too have lived in many foreign places but it is always nice to come back to the place one calls home. As I said the EU is a matter of choice, I do not see why the UK should finance the rest of Europe, last year alone it cost us £55 billion. Immigration and open door policy has not worked, you yourself only have to walk down to Lunar House to see that. Granted, the BNP may not have all the answers but who has?.

Councillor John Oddy wrote:
Nasty Mr Tom, Of course there are racists in the BNP, the same way there are racists in all political parties and walks of life, we live in a multicultural society where, unfortunately, not everybody loves their neighbour. Over the last few years the BNP as tried to shed the racist overcoat that it was painted with, in many areas this as worked but there is still more work to be done and the vast majority of the membership are not racists they are nationalists and realists. Tom, any BNP Councillor, worth their salt, works harder for their communities because they have more to prove and that includes all and any of their constituents regardless of race or colour. Not all BNP policies are workable, we all know that, but a lot are and we have to have them all amended so that not only are they workable but practicable too. If you want my opinion on being less-British then yes I believe that some people are, if you were born in this Country regardless of colour you are British, if you are an immigrant then you are not. One cannot become British, the same way when I lived in Africa I was not African.

Councillor John Oddy wrote:
Mr Tom, You ask a lot of question!. One of the BNP policies is that of voluntary financially assisted repatriation. Miss Lewis, if she is any good, will be as good a Councillor to any of her constituents regardless of the colour of their skin. Do not forget Councillors have a remit and responsibilities that they have to adhere to. To my knowledge the BNP has no links to the groups you mentioned and, in fact, only last year expulsed two members for attending a Combat18 meeting. You are correct serving service men and women are not allowed to be BNP members, as indeed neither are serving police officers, what we do after leaving the services is our own business. I left the Party last May, just after the elections, my reasons for leaving were personal.

Councillor John Oddy wrote:
Nasty Mr Tom, Touché. Personally I do not know Miss Lewis but I would hope she is fair minded enough to serve all of her constituents equally well regardless of their ethnic origin, remember, if she is voted-in her every movement will be under public scrutiny. The Police, in particular, should not be members of the BNP, I agree, this could lead to prosecutions being lost due to the reason of bias, but I strongly disagree with the barring of others. I haven’t read the report by the BNP press officer and it would be unfair of me to comment on an article I haven’t seen. The comment made by Nick Griffin regarding the Holocaust was a regrettable one and one that cannot be forgiven, this is the reason I said he should step aside as chairman, do not get me wrong I think he has led the Party magnificently over the past years and I have repeatedly said this on my blog, but the time has now come for that remark to be his downfall. We all know the Holocaust took place and it will remain a stain on humanity forever.

L.Simmonds wrote:
I have today spoken with Mr. John Oddy and he has confirmed he has not posted anything on this website or any other news forum , there are a number of almost idential posts using the same name as John Oddy on other forums posted at exactly the same time as the ones on here. This only leaves one conclusion, some people are using an ex BNP members name in a feeble and amateurish attempt to cause disharmony amongst potential voters. Please just ignore any further bogus posts in the name of John Oddy. Searchlight must be getting desperate now ! Regards L.Simmonds

Bob Peel wrote:
I am amazed that someone can post two pieces of virtual outdated tripe on this board. The discussion was proceeding trouble free with the usual friendly banter included and the along comes L Simmons Esq. It only takes one to ruin a decent discussion and you have done just that. I have asked the mods to remove your tomes; I hope others do the same.

Councillor John Oddy wrote:
Tom, Not that it really matters to me but which way will you vote, with your head or your heart?. Are you a strict party voter or do you weigh-up each candidate on merit?. I would have thought Waddon to sway towards the Conservatives but apparently not, I have friends who live on Stafford Road and even they are considering the Independent. Tom, I think you’ll find that the L. Simmonds has nothing to do with the BNP, he appears to be up to mischief, so ignore him.